Quantifying Hard Work for PhD Research

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "hard work" in the context of pursuing a PhD, particularly in fields related to physics and engineering. Participants share their perspectives on what constitutes hard work, how to quantify it, and strategies for managing research literature effectively.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to define and quantify "hard work" in PhD research, seeking insights from others on their experiences.
  • Another suggests comparing instructional hours with study hours, emphasizing that thoroughness is more important than just the amount of time spent studying.
  • Some participants express that having no life outside of PhD work indicates hard work, while others challenge this notion, suggesting that maintaining a balance is also important.
  • There is a discussion about the efficiency of reading scientific literature, with one participant noting that understanding the topic beforehand can help in selecting which references to pursue.
  • A participant raises a question about the extent of effort required during undergraduate studies, wondering if completing all problems in textbooks is necessary to excel.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on what constitutes hard work and the balance between work and personal life. There is no consensus on a single definition or approach to quantifying hard work in the context of PhD research.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexity of determining effective study habits and the challenge of navigating extensive literature, indicating that assumptions about prior knowledge and the necessity of reading all references may vary.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals considering or currently pursuing a PhD, especially in physics and engineering, may find this discussion relevant to their experiences and challenges related to work habits and literature management.

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Hi all,

i've seen a number of threads, asking how to study and how shud one work towards PhD etc and the general response has been to 'work hard'.
now, can anyone elaborate on this 'hard work'?
i'll be soon beginning my research on quantum transport in solid state physics and more from an engineering perspective. could someone throw light or share any links on the 'hard work' i shud do?
or on the other hand, for those who are pursuing research, what does 'hard work' mean to you guys?
how to quantify hard work and how to know whether I'm working hard?
because, it's easy for one to think that he/she's working hard but in fact it might not be hard work on what matters or what's important..

another question, I've been trying to familiarise myself with the literature by reading technical papers and it's easy to lose track of the objective and also waste time coz, each paper refers a number of other papers for certain results and those papers do the same themselves for other results. is there a way to tackle this issue efficiently or reading all the references is inevitable?
 
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Compare the number of class instructional hours per week with the number of hours you spend outside of class exploring(studying) the course. That is a beginning, but that tells very little about the complexity of the course being studied. Studying Hard must involve thoroughness, and not just time quantity.

For reading and learning from scientific journal articles, the reader should ideally know something about the topic or componant of the subject and not need to check very many of the articles referenced in the current article. The current article really should be reasonably thorough by itself. You should be able to select whatever referenced articles to read using your own judgement - really difficult to say. Pick the ones that you believe would help in gaining "prerequisite" knowledge. The references are put in for you in case you want to know more about the details of history of related scientific work.
 
If you have no life outside of working on your PhD, then you are working hard. The challenge is to keep it up long enough to finish. Once you are done with classes you can ease up a *little* so you don't go crazy before reaching the finish line.
 
marcusl said:
If you have no life outside of working on your PhD, then you are working hard. The challenge is to keep it up long enough to finish. Once you are done with classes you can ease up a *little* so you don't go crazy before reaching the finish line.

what do u mean by 'no life outside of working on your PhD' ?
 
Sports, concerts, girlfriends, parties, travel or whatever else you'd normally do.
 
marcusl said:
Sports, concerts, girlfriends, parties, travel or whatever else you'd normally do.
damn I'm never getting a phd.
 
marcusl said:
If you have no life outside of working on your PhD, then you are working hard.
There is no need to work every day god sends us in order to obtain a PhD. Everyone in my office works normal office hours (around 9-5, or 10-6 each day).
 
I think you need to work hard (defined above), especially at a top school, during the years you take classes. Once you start on your thesis research, you go at your own pace and can ease up. How much you play and how long it takes to finish are related in some way :o)
 
I have a question about hard work during my undergrad years. Is it enough to just do the assignment questions that are assigned or should I plan on doing all of the problems in my chemistry and Calculus textbooks, or even Biology for that matter? I mean I understand the concepts and all, but I have a feeling that is what a lot of people actually do in order to be the top. Am I right?
 

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