Quantum Graffiti: MEDIA COVERAGE, JOB OPENINGS & Gossip Around Loll at Utrecht

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the dutch call this website science communication contest
(teams from 13 universities competing) a "Battle of the Universites"

frankly, as a serious mathematician, I can't see how Loll could stand being involved leading a website development team, in a "competition" even.

here is the menu of the 13 websites:
http://www.academischejaarprijs.nl/nl/weblogs.php

hmmm the sites are all supposed to be BLOGS

maybe Loll can delegate the work to her master and PhD students
but she is trying to make creative physicists out of them in a short time, it could be frustrating to have a distraction like this Battle.
one does not want to waste one's students time.

However it could be very interesting if the Loll CDT team put up a lot of COMPUTER GRAPHICS of spontaneously selfcreating and evolving spacetimes-----by Monte Carlo----and of RANDOM WALKS being taken in these randomly generated assemblages of building blocks

showing a graphic of a random walk could communicate the idea of how they measure the dimension of random simplicial manifolds. one sees how easy it is for a wanderer to get lost and never return----averaged over all the places he can begin his walk----and the lower the dimension the harder it is for him to get lost.

the website of the Utrecht team could have some amusing graphics and perhaps animations or visual stories.

thinking up these graphics and animations could acutally help the students learn CDT and understand it better, so it would not be totally wasted time

I also like "Monte Carlo moves" very much. there is a menu of just a few moves and one can entirely transform a simplicial complex by doing these moves one after the other, as one shuffles a deck of cards by repeating simple shuffle operations. I wonder if they could put up an interactive visual teacher of the Monty Moves----say in 3D

If I remember the 4D moves are almost the same or analogous to the 3D, so it is very helpful to be able to picture 3D.

Anyway, at present the Utrecht team does not have anything at the site but there is still a lot of time before the judges or whoever decide
 
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here is the menu of the 13 websites:
http://www.academischejaarprijs.nl/nl/weblogs.php
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here is all it says, so far, at the Utrecht team's blog
http://www.academischejaarprijs.nl/utrecht/

24 december, 2005
Welkom op onze weblog!
Welkom op de weblog van het team van de Universiteit Utrecht. Momenteel genieten we van onze vakantie, maar het is de bedoeling dat de weblog begin januari echt van start gaat. Tot dan!
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because of similarity between Dutch and English it is not hard to guess what it means:Welcome to our blog!
Welcome to the weblog of the team of Utrecht U.
At the moment, we enjoy our vacation
...[I can't guess the next few words]...
that the blog really starts off [goes from start] beginning January.
'Til then!

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Guess I'd better check my guess with Babelfish.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

Babelfish says:
"Welcome on the web-unwieldly of the team of the university Utrecht. At present we enjoy our holiday, but it is the intention that the web-unwieldly beginning January real of start goes. To then!"

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BTW here is a link for Utrecht ITF (inst. theor. fysik)
http://www1.phys.uu.nl/wwwitf/

here are the two seminars that Loll organizes
http://www1.phys.uu.nl/wwwitf/Seminars/Grafiti.htm
http://www1.phys.uu.nl/wwwitf/Seminars/Quist.htm

you can see what various people have been giving talks about: Hanno Sahlmann, Joe Henson, Frank Saueressig, Artem Starodubtsev

some of the titles have links to abstracts---but not to slides or video (as in Perimeter case)

here are upcoming seminars at Utrecht ITF, probably an incomplete list
http://www1.phys.uu.nl/wwwitf/seminars.htm

the ITF is organized in two programs

The research In the Utrecht Institute is organized in two programs:

Quantum Gravity, Strings and Elementary Particles (QGSEP)

Condensed-Matter Theory, Statistical and Computational Physics

"QGSEP Mission statement

The main areas of research of the program are quantum gravity, quantum field theory, string theory and - since 2004 - cosmology. A common theme of much of our work is the investigation of nonperturbative properties of fundamental physical theories at very high energies, with and without supersymmetry. This concerns physical phenomena at or near the Planck scale, which cannot be adequately described by studying fluctuations around flat space-time. Within recent years, new conceptual insights, accompanied by the development of new mathematical tools, seem to have brought us closer to an understanding of the physics at these very small distances, although a complete theory is still lacking."the institute has some snapshots of people, and some homepages online. anyone interested can poke around and see what there is:
http://www1.phys.uu.nl/wwwitf/People.htm

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Hanno Sahlmann just won the annual physics prize of the German Academy of Sciences at Göttingen. I saw earlier that he gave a talk at Göttingen in mid-November but I didn't know the occasion for the talk was receiving the prize.
 
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Today the Utrecht team began to compete for the prize in the Dutch "Battle of the Universities"

they have posted their first page of their pedagogical competition website---which is to be about Quantum Gravity and especially the triangulations path integral approach being developed at Utrecht.

It strikes me as curious that an obscure line of research like this could compete against a dozen other university websites with possibly more accessible and readily visualized topics! I wonder can Utrecht catch up with the others----several of the other teams have already been putting up stuff for several weeks (a month I think) and have gotten many votes.

I wonder what Utrecht will put up on their site, and if it can make an impression. Well, as usual I will try to use BABELFISH to translate what the Dutch webpage says:

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Welkom op de weblog van het team van Renate Loll. Wij zijn jong, gevarieerd en gemotiveerd en op deze weblog zullen we u de komende maanden meevoeren naar de diepste krochten en langs de grootste mysteries die ons universum te bieden heeft. Ons onderwerp? Heeft u zich wel eens afgevraagd waarom de ruimte 3 dimensies heeft? Hoe zijn ruimte en tijd eigenlijk ontstaan? Kan het zo zijn dat de ruimte om ons heen, die zo gauw bekeken leeg lijkt, toch een diepste structuur heeft? Met andere woorden: wat is dat ding eigenlijk dat wij ruimte noemen?

Iedereen kan dit soort simpele vragen stellen. Wat velen echter niet weten is dat deze vragen een grote rol spelen in de zoektocht naar een van de laatste missende verbindingen in het hedendaagse onderzoek naar de fundamentele werking van de natuur. Het probleem is dat men geen idee heeft hoe het universum beschreven moet worden op de kleinst denkbare schaal. Theorieën die op astronomisch grote schaal, op menselijke en ook op atomaire schaal perfect hun werk doen, spreken elkaar tegen wanneer ze elkaar ontmoeten op de kleinste schalen die ons universum kent. Er is een massale zoektocht ingezet naar een theorie die dit gat zou moeten opvullen, een theorie die nu door het leven gaat als de kwantumtheorie voor de zwaartekracht.

De onderzoeksgroep van Renate Loll en haar collega’s is bezig met het ontwikkelen van zo’n theorie. Zij construeren ruimte en tijd uit kleine driehoekige bouwstenen. Dit wiskundige model heeft als ultiem doel een goede beschrijving op te leveren van hoe ons universum werkt op de kleinst mogelijke schaal.

Een van de grote doorbraken van de theorie was dat ze op grote schalen een ruimtetijd laat zien zoals wij deze kennen (3 ruimte- en 1 tijdsdimensie). Sindsdien heeft haar theorie vele subsidies in de wacht gesleept. De laatste en meest verbazingwekkende resultaten zijn dat het universum waarin wij leven op de kleinste schaal juist niet noodzakelijk vierdimensionaal is, maar dat hoe verder je inzoomt op een klein stukje ruimte, hoe meer het er op begint te blijken dat er slechts 2 dimensies overblijven.

Ons team bestaat uit 7 enthousiastelingen. Renate Loll is hoogleraar in de theoretische natuurkunde. Willem Westra is derdejaars AIO en werkt samen met Renate aan deze theorie. Sweitse van Leeuwen en Arjon van Lange zijn actief als bestuursleden van de studievereniging A-Eskwadraat. In ons midden hebben zich ook drie tweedejaarsstudenten zo moedig getoond zich in het stof der ruimtetijd te bijten, te weten Philip Klop, Quirine Krol en Egbert Rijke (natuur- en wiskunde).

De komende maanden zullen we stap voor stap afdalen naar de onmetelijke diepten, in de verbazingwekkende, maar bovenal die prachtige woeste zee van ruimtetijd, waarvan steeds meer verrassende aspecten aan het licht zullen komen. We zullen de weblog gebruiken om u de verhalen te vertellen achter een van de grootste zoektochten binnen de natuurkunde van vandaag, we zullen u vertellen hoe het er allemaal werkelijk uit ziet en vragen waarop u misschien niet eens het antwoord verwachtte zullen helder uitgelicht worden, en tot slot zal langzamerhand duidelijk worden wat u allemaal te wachten staat. Houd ons dus in de gaten!
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here is the first draft of the translation from dutch to english:

Welcome on the weblog of the team of Renate Loll. We are young, varied and motivated and on these weblog we you will sail too the coming months to the deepest krochten and along the largest mysteries universum has us which to offer. Our subject? Why has the space 3 sometimes wondered you dimensions has himself? How do its space and time in fact arise? Can it be this way that the space for our gone, which examined this way rapidly empty seems, nevertheless a deepest structure has? In other words: what is that thing in fact that we call space? Everyone can ask simple couples to this type. What many however do not know is that these questions play a large role in the search to of the last missing connections in the contemporary study into the fundamental functioning of nature. The problem is that one has no idea how the universum must be described on the smallest conceivable scale. Theories which do on astronomically large scale, at human and also on atomic scale perfectly their work, speak each other against when they meet each other on the smallest scales which our universum has. A massive search has been used to a theory which this breach would have fill up, a theory which goes now by living as the kwantumtheorie for the gravitation. The research group of Renate Loll and its colleagues are busy with developing such a theory. They construct space and time from small triangular construction toes. This mathematical model has as an ultimate aim a good of producing description of how our universum works on the smallest possible scale. Of the large openings of the theory was that she let's a space time know on large scales see such as we these (3 spaces - and 1 time dimension). Its theory has dragged a lot of subsidies in the guard since then. The last and most surprising results are that the universum in which we live on the smallest scale correctly not necessary four-dimensional is, but that how further you zoom in on a small bit space, how starts more it there on appear that dimensions there only 2 remain. Our team exists from 7 enthousiastelingen. Renate Loll are hoogleraar in theoretical physics. Willem Westra are derdejaars AIO and cooperate with Renate to this theory. Sweitse van Leeuwen and Arjon van Lange is active as governing board members of the study association AES2. In our middle Second year students also three this way in the substance of the space time to bite itself, namely know have bravely shown Philip Klop, Quirine Krol and Egbert Rijke (nature - and maths). The coming months we will descend inch by inch to the immense depths, in the surprising, but above all that splendid savage sea of space time, of which more and more surprising aspects will come to light. We the weblog uses will tell the tales you behind of the largest searches within physics of today, we will tell you how it sees all really and asks on which you perhaps not even expected the answer will clearly be taken out, and finally gradually clear will become what you all to wait state. Watch us therefore!

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note that Krol means "caterwaul" and so babelfish translated the name of one of the team members

this is not bad, congratulations babelfish for saying this:

above all that splendid savage sea of space time...[/color]

the dutch original does not have such force:
"maar bovenal die prachtige woeste zee van ruimtetijd"
 
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I'm from the Netherlands, so I will try to give a translation of the text. But beware, my english grammar isn't that good as you guys :rolleyes:

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Welcome to our weblog:

Welcome to the weblog of the team of Renate Loll. We are young, varied and motivated and on this weblog we shall take you the next few months to the deepest places and along the biggest mysteries our universe has to offer us. Our subject? Have you ever wondered why space has 3 dimensions? How where space and time actually created? Could it be that the space around us, which at a glance seems empty, has a deepest structure? In other words: what is it that we call space?

Everyone could ask these kind of simple questions. What many do not know however, is that these questions play a big role in the search to one of the last missing connections in contemporary research on the fundamental workings of nature. The problem is that no one really knows how to describe the universe on the smallest possible scale. Theories that work perfectly on astronomical scales, on human and on atomic scale, contradict each other when they meet at the smallest scales which exist in our universe. There's a massive search started to find a theory which should fill up this hole, a theory that's now called quantum gravity.

The research group of Renate Loll and her colleagues works on the development of such a theory. They construct space and time out of small triangular building blocks. The ultimate purpose of this mathematical model is to give a good description on how our universe works at the smallest possible scale.

One of the greatest break-throughs of this theory was that it showed a spacetime we knew on large scales (3 space and 1 time dimension). Since then her theory has collected many fundings. The last and most awe struck results are that the universe we live in doesn't neseccary have to be 4 dimensional on the smallest scale, but the more you zoom in on this small piece of space, the more it starts to like there are only 2 dimensions left.

Our team consist of 7 enthousiasts. Renate Loll is a professor in theoretical physics. Willem Westra is a third year PhD and works together with Renate Loll on this theory. Sweitse van Leeuwen and Arjon van Lange are active as members of the board of the student association A-es kwadraat. In the middle we also have 3 second year students, brave enough to try to study spacetime, namely Philipe Klop, Quirine Krol and Egbert Rijke (physics and mathematics).

In the following months we will descend step by step into immense depths, into the most amazing, but foremost into the beautiful wild sea of spacetime, from which more and more surprising aspects will come to light. We shall use this weblog to tell you the stories of one of the greatest voyages in physics to this day, we shall tell you what it really looks like, and questions on which you might even haven't got a clue, shall be clearly explained, and it should be clear by now what's in store for you. So watch this site!

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There is also a famous wheatherman in the netherlands called Erwin Krol. But I don't they are family.
 
  • #127
marcus said:
mygod the team is young!
look at Quirine Krol
and
Philip Klop
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~sons/erg

It's not that those 2 are already doing the heavy stuff. They are only second year students. In Utrecht I see it's the case where they have to follow a course for which they have to do a small research project in one of the research groups at the university, but which is really simplified, but still very interesting for them.
 
  • #128
Pietjuh said:
I'm from the Netherlands, so I will try to give a translation of the text. But beware, my english grammar isn't that good as you guys :rolleyes:
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There is also a famous wheatherman in the netherlands called Erwin Krol. But I don't they are family.

Pietjuh your english grammar is fine (at least by my simple standards!) that is a highly readable translation. THANKS. it helps to have a real translation instead of babelfish

About one of the team, called Quirine Krol, there is a dutch professional SCULPTOR by the name of Krol. I think perhaps it could be Quirine's mother. It doesn't matter except that in some kind of physics it could help to have a very strong 3D imagination and memory, as one might inherit from a scuptor parent.

Perhaps you should visit their site :smile:
leave them a message. They are already answering the blog at:

http://www.academischejaarprijs.nl/utrecht/

In other Utrecht news, Joe Henson, most recently from California, now a postdoc working for Renate Loll, has posted his first SOLO research paper on arxiv and gotten it accepted for publication.

He posted it today
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0601069
Constructing an interval of Minkowski space from a causal set
Joe Henson
8 pages, one figure; accepted for publication in Classical and Quantum Gravity Letters
"A criticism sometimes made of the causal set quantum gravity program is that there is no practical scheme for identifying manifoldlike causal sets and finding embeddings of them into manifolds. A computational method for constructing an approximate embedding of a small manifoldlike causal set into Minkowski space (or any spacetime that is approximately flat at short scales) is given, and tested in the 2 dimensional case. This method can also be used to determine how manifoldlike a causal set is, and conversely to define scales of manifoldlikeness."

In the past, Joe has co-authored with Fay Dowker and Rafael Sorkin among others.
 
  • #129
Chess is four dimensional, so this does not seem to be a terribly complicated contest.
 
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Another translation job

the climate for Quantum Gravity seems to be subtly different in Europe from what it is in the USA. Earlier we had a translation of an interview with Hermann Nicolai in the German newspaper DIE ZEIT (analog of the NY Times)

One reason to keep track of the general audience press is to understand better the surroundings and situation of the European QG community (Loll at Utrecht, Rovelli at Marseille, their groups, and others).

Today Peter Woit had links to a couple of new things in German.

Here is DIE ZEIT interview with Martin Carrier, philosopher of science.
http://zeus.zeit.de/text/2006/05/N-Interview_Carrier

Here is a DIE ZEIT article by Max Rauner
http://zeus.zeit.de/text/2006/05/Kosmologie
 
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preliminary rough translation by babelfish

Out!
Physics is in the crisis: The dream of the world formula burst, the new theories is hardly more examinable. Does it at all still concern in the cosmology science?

by Max Rauner

Free love, LSD, anti-war demo. Leonard Susskind took part in all that "and still more", as he stresses. Afterwards it became a physics professor at the American elite university Stanford, in the heart remained it a rebel. Now Susskind wrote a book, which shifts its colleagues in riot. If it keeps right, is physics at the end. Or completely at the beginning.

Originally Susskind was taken off to find the world formula a all-comprehensive theory, which describes the Big Bang just like the nano-world. For a long time it waehnte itself close to. With the most brilliant physicists and mathematicians he developed the stringer theory in the eighties, the best candidates for a world formula. Before six years the hope of the physicists got a first tear, when it showed up that this theory supplies many solutions almost infinitely. Now Susskind Ernst makes: In its book it postulates The Cosmic Landscape the fact that the theoretical solutions are not an excrescence of mathematics but to material in each case would correspond existing university verses.

However would be called: There are innumerable other worlds beside our well-known universe – and in everyone this own laws of nature apply for university verses. Thus however the search according to the world formula would be led ad absurdum. More badly still: Whether actually it exists to other university verses or not, leaves itself practically to never examine. And then the question arises whether such a physics can be considered at all still as natural science.

No miracle that among physicists a violent discussion was inflamed. In the controversy it goes over the relationship of theory and reality, over coincidence and necessity, physics and Metaphysik. Go around exploding, shrinking, and one on the other hitting worlds – and around the question whether the physicists have still all cups in the cabinet

To the cosmological offense now a heavy depression comes

Cosmological principle debates shook always also the self understanding of humans. Before 500 years Nikolaus Kopernikus fell the geocentric conception of the world and set the sun into the center of the universe. Driving out of the navel of the world described Sigmund Freud later than "cosmological offense" of mankind. Soon it became clear that the sun is only one star in the backyard of the Milky Way and the Milky Way only one of but billions other galaxies in the universe. The fact that the physicists doubt now also still the however position of our universe appears there only consistent.

According to Susskind we live "in an infinitely small bag in an enormous Megaversum". Our world would be therefore only a kind philanthropic niche, besides however gives it innumerable other university verses. Some of them are empty and boring, others exist for a few milliseconds, a hand fully stars, planets and even lives brought out. This conception of a multi or mega+verse around gives it of course longer. New it is however that meanwhile not only a few philosophically inspired crank in it believe, but to a certain extent the guidance elite of theoretical physics. Leonard Susskind, and other one with it, is anyhow safe itself: If philosophers and physicists look back in one hundred years, they will describe the today's time as that period, in which the concept of the only universe was replaced in favor of the conception one multi-verse around.

But if Kopernikus’ Theory an offense was, is the Multiversum a heavy depression. Thus mankind would pull itself back on a completely insignificant, coincidental island in the cosmic ocean. Us only the comfort remains that there are nevertheless organisms on this island, which are intelligent enough to argue about it.

Scientifically seen, that is hauptproblem of this conception however their examinableness: From where are we to know whether the theory of the multiple worlds is actually correct? Even if there were many other university verses really, we could never throw a view of it. Still is science? Or does physics thereby approach the Esoterik, in which much is only maintained, but nothing proven or refutable is? The philosopher Karl Popper set up once to the maxim that scientific theories should be so constituted that one disproves it in principle, therefore falsifizieren can. If one gives this guiding principle up, a grundpfeiler of the natural science comes into the wanken.

The criticism at Susskinds theses is accordingly hard. "I consider the beginning dangerous", say Paul Steinhardt of the Princeton University. "the science would come to a depressing end." The stringer theoretician Brian Greene feared, the idea can hold scientists to look for more deeply lying explanations. And the cosmologist Lee Smolin of the perimeter of institutes in Waterloo, Canada, grumbles: "Lenny Susskind errs, and he will see that he errs." One can present gladly ideas, "however if one a theory has, which predicts neither something avowedly nor something, then stops one making science."

But the multi-verse around theory has just as prominent advocates. "our whole universe is a fruitful oasis within multi-verse around", says the astrophysicist Sir Martin Rees, president of the venerable British Royal Society. Andrei lime tree of the Stanford University, to which its colleagues sometimes with charm-cheat maintains, already simulated the Multiversum on the computer and placed pictures of it on its Website ("Kandinsky Universen"). Even the Nobelpreistraeger steven vineyard, a solid, highly estimated theoretician, shows up openly. "I am not convinced yet of the Multiversum, but I take the possibility seriously."

The controversy was overdue. Because with all success physics to today no answer to the fundamental question has: Why is the world straight so constituted, how we find it? Or, in the words of Einstein: "could God have created the world also differently?" In the meantime we know that laws of nature and natural constants are so finely adjusted that the smallest deviations would have fatal consequences, anyhow for the existence of humans. But an explanation of this be astonished-worth phenomenon physics did not come more near.

Until today two large theories stand next to each other like marriage partners, who sleep in separate beds: _ Einstein relativity theory and the quantum theory. With the one can one space, time and cosmological structures compute, with the other one the behavior of atoms and elementary particles. Both are extremely efficient in their range, but they do not find simply to each other. In the Big Bang they fail, too extremely are conditions in the Big fear for. And why light is fast approximately 300000 kilometers per second and a hydrogen atom weighs straight 1.67 time 10-27 gram, the theories cannot explain also. Dozens of such natural constants must insert the physicists quasi by hand into the equations.

"as young physicists hoped I to find beauty and elegance in the laws of nature", remembers Leonard Susskind. As his father as plumbers shifted the pipes, right-angled, parallel, somehow aesthetically, then he imagined physics. "instead I found a depressing disorder." That was end of the sixties. In the seventies the situation improved, in the Achtzigern became the physicists euphorically. A new theory made hope, it for them described elementary particles no longer than punctiform particles, but than swinging strings or threads. These stringers are too small, in order ever directly to be observed to be able (approximately 10-33 centimeters), but with this trick could mathematical infinities in the equations be avoided. Even the gravitation strength from relativity theory found its place in the abstract thought building. So far however the stringer theory is so complicated that many characteristics lie multi-verse around in the dark. For example it postulates eleven dimensions, by which some are microscopically "rolled up", so that we notice only three space dimensions.

Michio Kaku compares the stringer theory in its new book in the parallel universe with a small, beautiful pebble, which the physicists find with a migration by the desert: "as we the sand aside sweep, state we that it concerns in reality the point of an enormous pyramid, which lies buried under tons by sand. After decades we discover mysterious hieroglyphics, hidden chambers and tunnels. A daily we will penetrate on the lowest level and the gate will finally up-push."

Which formulates Kaku so blumig, is the dream of the world formula. But that is now burst – says Susskind, which in the meantime a white beard and a Halbglatze decorate: "the beauty became the beast." After Susskinds computations the stringer theory has at present 10500 solutions, which is practically infinite. Until Susskinds appears book The Cosmic Landscape on German, still some powers of ten at university verses could come. Instead of talking from a pyramid to, the Stanford professor sketches now the picture of a boundless imaginary landscape, which our cosmos same. In this landscape there are mountains, valleys and hochebenen. And in each valley another universe lies. Some look like ours, most exist only briefly, before in the valley again a new universe is born. Only unfortunately: One does not come from a valley into the other one. Whether actually exist to possible other university verses, one can never determine.

Such not examinable theories drive the physicist Lee Smolin the cold sweat on the forehead. If physics gives the principle up of the examinableness, then Smolin warns, comes it into the proximity of religious theories as for instance the creation teachings of intelligently the Design. "the danger lies directly before our entry door", says Smolin. The catholic church again the many world theory is not religion compatible enough. Thus the Viennese cardinal Christoph beautiful fount geisselte with his much considered attack on the evolution theory in the past year explicitly also the hypothesis of the Multiversum. It contradicts the overwhelming vouchers for purpose and Design of nature.

If there are sufficient university verses, one of it must be habitable

Hard-boiled physicists such as Steven Weinberg leave such church attacks cold. "it is beautiful that cosmology is now also getting a little of the attention, which evolution theory enjoys these days" comments Weinberg (the expression of beautiful sounds sarcastic. Straight one on atheistisch gesinnte scientists such as Weinberg exercises the speculative thesis of the Multiversum a special attraction. They struck themselves so far in vain with the question around, to bring out why the cosmos seems as created, in order stars, planets and sometime also intelligent life. The almost unbelievable fine tuning of the natural constants in favor of a habitable universe dissolves in the multi-verse around theory however in well-being favours. According to it the existence of a philanthropic universe is a pure consequence of the statistics: Under 10500 university verses must be simple ours thereby, six correct ones as somebody in the Lotto taps, if enough people along-play. Martin Rees compares the Multiversum with a large dress business. "if the selection of dresses enough is large, is not not surprised we to find something fitting" – indeed our own universe.

Could God have created thus the world also differently? Yes, the multi-verse around theoreticians answer and set still one drauf: It used its clearance extensively. Stupidly only that this conception leads to an almost inflationary arbitraryness in the description of the reality.

How thus does it continue in physics? Who not so that contently give may myself the fact that either our universe is pure coincidence or the dear God has all straight so hang-curved, as we find it, has the choice between three possibilities.

The principle hope. Finally is the stringer theory still for a long time not finished, perhaps the physicists somewhat surveyed. "it is much too early, to give up", says Princeton professor Paul Steinhardt, who set up its own theory of an eternally returning, cyclic universe. Who knows, perhaps still everything turns to the good one at the end, and an extended stringer theory describes a daily exactly a universe, i.e. ours.

The escape forward. We existed really accept, the Multiversum. Then are appropriate for other university verses outside of our own, and even the best telescope could never see it. Perhaps but other forecasts can be derived from the theory, which one could examine a daily, at least in our universe, empirically. At the European research lab CERN in Geneva 2007 the Large hadron Collider (LHC) is to go into enterprise. Perhaps this gigantic particle accelerator finds a reference to the hidden space dimensions, which the theory predicts.

Finally the possibility of the mistake remains. "the stringer theory is simply and simply wrong", believes for example Peter Woit. The mathematician of the Columbia University in New York operates the anti-stringer Web log emergency even wrong and demands: "a correct theory should have a limited number of solutions." As alternative candidates for such a theory some researchers discuss the loop quantum gravitation in such a way specified, which is developed among other things at Albert-Einstein-Institut in potsdam. According to it space-time from tiny pellets is developed. It gets along without the many dimensions and university verses of the stringer theory. The problem is bare: Also this theory supplies so far no empirically examinable forecasts.

After 2500 years physics seems again arrived at the beginning

German physicists play almost no role in the heated debate over the Multiversum. Perhaps the Sozialisation of the Bronx is missing to them, where Leonard Susskind and Steven Weinberg attended the same High School. But in this country philosophical analysis is maintained. R. Hedrich of the University of Giessen got a request at the German research council granted, in order to arrange the arguments of the physics debate. Who calls the philosopher, classical music in the background hears. "the theory of the Multiversum is reasonable in its logic", says Hedrich, "however not reasonably enough to be around science." The research program reminds it of that the Vorsokratiker in the old Greece: It is "metaphysical thinking about nature".

Did physics arrive with it after 2500 years again with its beginnings? Lee Smolin, joint founder of the loop quantum gravitation, swears to its colleagues not to go to the multi-verse around theory on the glue: "the progress of the science in the last 400 years is based on a few ethical basic rules, and Falsifizierbarkeit is one of it." One must absolutely maintain Poppers requirement of the refutableness in principle. Leonard Susskind is there fundamental different opinion: "follows property scientific practice no abstract set of rules, which for us a few philosopher prescribes, maintains" he in a hostile exchange with Lee Smolin on the Website edge.org. Smolin plays itself like an arbitrator over good and bad science up. "the natural science is the horse, which pulls the truck of philosophy. Do not let us the truck before the horse stretch."

Smolin has by the way its own theory of the universe. University verses could come as baby university verses in black holes to the world and afterwards a kind Darwin selection process subjected be. That is even refutable, insures Smolin, by the observation of neutron stars so mentioned. But again different researchers doubt that.

"Hypothesis non fingo", said Newton, I make no hypotheses. His current professional colleague is less restrained. It almost seems as if inventing new universes serves as pastime, or a kind of finger exercise, until the LHC finally starts operating. However, simply to dismiss the bizarre world-pictures of the cosmologists and stringer theoreticians however simply as craziness would be too easy. "As long as no one has a better idea, one must keep trying this," says the Giessener philosopher of Reiner Hedrich, even if the premise seems paradoxical, "trying out, even knowing that it doesn't work this way."

Until the cosmologists have again firm soil under the feet, one will have to be content provisionally with another measure for the reliability of a theory: Royal Society president Martin Rees would BET HIS DOG on the thesis of the Multiverse, and Andrei Linde of Stanford University would even bet his life. And Steven Weinberg announced in November in an essay with the title Living in the Multiverse, he has already has enough confidence in the theory, "to bet both Andrei Linde's life and Martin Rees’ dog on it".

THE TIME 26.01.2006 NR.5

05/2006
 
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rough babelfish of the interview

"there the familiar categories dissolve"

With the conception of infinitely many universes did Physics cross the border into Metaphysics? A discussion with the science philosopher Martin Carrier

DIE ZEIT: How many universes do you believe in personally?

Martin Carrier: One!

DIE ZEIT: Can you prove its uniqueness?

Carrier: No, but to me the earlier conception of a universe seems more reliable than what is accepted by stringer theoretician. Every one of their innumerable solutions would correspond to its own universe.

DIE ZEIT: Why do you doubt the stringer theory?

Carrier: There is a set of quality criteria for scientific theories. For instance the explanation of up-till-now not understood experiments and the forecast of new phenomena. The stringer theory fares there rather badly, because it – so far at least – simply offers no connection to concrete, understandable experiences.

DIE ZEIT: May one call then still natural science? Or did physics thereby cross the border into Metaphysics?

Carrier: We no longer make the strict distinction between science and Metaphysics, that used to be made in former times. Often there have been theories, which at first did not seem testable – but which sometime later achieved great empirical success. Take for example the conception of atoms: It was around since the ancient Greeks, but only after 1800 was it successfully confirmed by facts. Therefore one should hold back oneself with categorical statements about it, which now is strictly scientific and which not.

DIE ZEIT: Nevertheless there must be criteria for good and bad science.

Carrier: Surely. Those are quality benchmarks such as explanatory and predictive power, which I just mentioned. There is today a whole spectrum of such requirements, and one judges the efficiency of a theory by how well it fares on this multiple scale.

DIE ZEIT: That applies also to religiously motivated theories as for instance for the Christian creationism?

Carrier: Exactly. We do not say: "that is not science." Separate we determine: The explanation achievement of the creationism – which fossil finds or mismatchings of organisms concerns – pitifully badly, the reliability is miserable.

DIE ZEIT: Could be said not also about the stringer theory?

Carrier: Yes and no. Their explanation achievement is indeed rather poor. On the other side it that could still change. Also the kinetic heat theory in 19. Century was terribly unsuccessful long time. The theoreticians afterwards-ran only the experiences and tried to build somehow well-known phenomena into their theory to – exactly like the stringer theoreticians today. Only as 1905 Einstein the Brownian molecular movement explained, new effects was predicted, and thus their break-through succeeded to the theory.

DIE ZEIT: According to stringer theory the world has eleven dimensions. That understands nevertheless no more humans.

Carrier: The demand for understanding bar of modern physics is unfortunately futile nostalgia. It is correct that whole classical physics up to the beginning 20. Century of the idea was certain, the world was understandable. But this conception failed with quantum physics. The bizarre world of the quanta is completely unanschaulich, and the more we into it penetrate, understand we them the less.

DIE ZEIT: But perhaps it is only one question of the time, until we understand it.

Carrier: Reliably the understanding develops itself further. Take only the revolution of the Coperinican conception of the world. Which the contemporaries had at that time for difficulties to imagine a movement of the earth. Those could not notice it nevertheless at all! Also the further arsenal physical dimension such as atoms or fields blew up the imaginative power of a layman – today that is more or less common property/knowledge. But we did not digest the paging of quantum physics yet. There the familiar article categories dissolve, and we do not find appropriate terms for it.

DIE ZEIT: Is there a realization border in principle for humans?

Carrier: In the long run we do not know whether the world is understandable. Most physicists assume that the science successfully describes the reality and that we approach to the basic modules of the world. At the end the science would exhaust nature to a certain extent. It would be in addition, conceivable that behind each level of apparently elementary things a still more fundamental level opens itself.

DIE ZEIT: What do we make with a theory, which refers to innumerable further university verses, without being able to make them accessible for the experience?

Carrier: There is a way out. We take general relativity theory: Also we can examine their philosophy, the Geometrisierung of the gravitation, not directly. But we measure their consequences – Red shift, clock slowing down – and believe therefore also in the basic principle. We think ourselves capable of even statements about it, which happens, if an astronaut falls into a black hole – even if we that will empirically never be able to examine.

DIE ZEIT: We accept, we would be in the middle in a scientific revolution, like at times of Copernicus or Einstein. What could we notice that?

Carrier: That is difficult to say. It takes every now and then decades, to scientific pagings in the scientific community recognition is often still longer and, until it accepts the public. Darwinism was accepted only a half century after the formulation by Darwin in the science. Sometimes revolutions are also broken off, and one returns to old conceptions. Contemporaries notice frequently nothing from the revolutions, which take place before their eyes.

DIE ZEIT: Could we be with that infinitely many universes likewise? Will this conception our grandchildren appear completely natural?

Carrier: That would be possible. Perhaps the stringer theory comes sometime to meaningful successes, and then – history will show – one could accept quite also consequences, which are not accessible to the direct experience. But in any place we need a confirmation. Never in the history of the science a theory was accepted, which would have brought not also empirical progress.

Max Rauner and Ulrich Schnabel were the interviewers.

DIE ZEIT 26.01.2006 NR.5

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EDIT, my comment is that I think Max Rauner and Ulrich Schnabel are working for Die Zeit and that they did the interview with Martin Carrier.
 
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Do I dare conjecture that Rauner means "carrier" in German?
 
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selfAdjoint said:
Do I dare conjecture that Rauner means "carrier" in German?
:biggrin:

Isn't babelfish awful. I love how bad the translation is and almost don't want to edit and repair it.

Actually here is a picture of Prof. Dr. Martin Carrier
http://www.uni-bielefeld.de/ZIF/Personen/Taetigkeiten/carrier.html
he is real
not a phantom of babelfish
 
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Daniele Oriti, of Cambridge, gave the Quantum Gravity Seminar talk at Utrecht yesterday (13 February)

Renate Loll will give the Physics Colloquium talk at her University on 24 February, so says her website.

It would be interesting to hear about these talks from anyone who is in Utrecht---like PF poster Timbuktu and others---and who happens to attend.
 
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marcus said:
Daniele Oriti, of Cambridge, gave the Quantum Gravity Seminar talk at Utrecht yesterday (13 February)

Renate Loll will give the Physics Colloquium talk at her University on 24 February, so says her website.

It would be interesting to hear about these talks from anyone who is in Utrecht---like PF poster Timbuktu and others---and who happens to attend.

I was at the talk by Renate on February 24th, and it was pretty interesting! The whole lecture room was packed to the max, with people sitting on stairs and standing against the walls :-). The talk gave me some more insight in what Loll has done and how she has done it. I tried reading her two latest papers, but got lost in terminology half-way through the paper :rolleyes: . One of the people of the audience asked: 'So how is this any different from say, astrology?'. That was pretty funny.

Also, another person asked if she had now unified quantum gravity and relativity.
 
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Smots said:
I was at the talk by Renate on February 24th, and it was pretty interesting! The whole lecture room was packed to the max, with people sitting on stairs and standing against the walls :-). The talk gave me some more insight in what Loll has done and how she has done it. I tried reading her two latest papers, but got lost in terminology half-way through the paper :rolleyes: . One of the people of the audience asked: 'So how is this any different from say, astrology?'. That was pretty funny.

Also, another person asked if she had now unified quantum gravity and relativity.

thanks, Smots!
It's great to have a first-hand report.
I would have liked to be there, to hear both the main talk and her response to the audience questions.

One thing Perimeter Institute has over Utrecht ITP is that they put talks like that up on the web---for anyone to watch. they have a talk by Loll, given last year actually, in case anyone is interested.

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I see the Utrecht team has more up at their competition website:

http://www.academischejaarprijs.nl/utrecht/?p=5#more-5

http://www.academischejaarprijs.nl/utrecht/?p=7#more-7

the second link is to material they just put up today (1 March)
among other things, cartoons by Egbert Rijke
 
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The Utrecht team is making a kind of book. the book has charming funny drawings by Egbert Rijke
It comes in chapters, which (if I understand the dutch word) they call "Uploadings"

So they have Uploading 1, and Uploading 2, and Uploading 3, and more to come.

to me it sounds better to say "Installment"

Installment 1 (6 February)
http://www.academischejaarprijs.nl/utrecht/?p=5#more-5

Installment 2 (1 March)
http://www.academischejaarprijs.nl/utrecht/?p=7#more-7

Installment 3 (5 March)
http://www.academischejaarprijs.nl/utrecht/?p=8#more-8

this could become a hardcopy illustrated book which would be a good present to give a young person----high school or college student---as an enjoyable intuitive introduction to the classical and quantum ideas of Spacetime.

the fact is Egbert Rijke has talent and the drawings have a fresh, not-too-serious, light-hearted character. And we have seen already for over a year that Loll is a good writer. She has a conceptual clear style and choice of metaphor that engages the reader's attention. Personally I only know how she writes in English, but thanks to several people we have translations of interviews and other writing that gives some idea that she comes across at least as strong in Dutch as she does in English.

so these installments could, if it works out, become a useful and delightful little book. Someday we may see an English version

I remember from my childhood a funny book of history and/or geography by a Dutchman, with his own drawings. I think his name was Van Loon, or something like that----I remember it sounded loony. Informal illustrated lighthearted account of otherwise daunting subjects is a genre.

Yes! I just checked. Remembered the name right! he was Hendrik Willem van Loon and his 1921 book The Story of Mankind won the very first Newberry Medal for Children's Lit ever awarded, in 1922.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Willem_van_Loon
I see that it is available in electronic version from the Gutenberg project
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/754

Actually there were two books, the history and another called Van Loon's Geography which came out in 1932. I may only have seen the Geography, can't remember.
 
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VEry nice! Thanks for that nice book :).
 
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Hey Quirine!
just saw you were here visiting us at PF!
arent you the physics student on Loll's team, who has a sculptor in the family?
sculpture is good background for physics---concrete and visual!
any news from the website competition?

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I better update the Loll/Utrecht news:

Loll just posted two papers that I didnt record here yet. here is one with Dario Benedetti
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-lat/0603013
Unexpected Spin-Off from Quantum Gravity
D. Benedetti (U. Utrecht), R. Loll (U. Utrecht)
10 pages, 4 figures

"We propose a novel way of investigating the universal properties of spin systems by coupling them to an ensemble of causal dynamically triangulated lattices, instead of studying them on a fixed regular or random lattice. Somewhat surprisingly, graph-counting methods to extract high- or low-temperature series expansions can be adapted to this case. For the two-dimensional Ising model, we present evidence that this ameliorates the singularity structure of thermodynamic functions in the complex plane, and improves the convergence of the power series."
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here is one with Willem Westra

http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0603079
Nonperturbative sum over topologies in 2D Lorentzian quantum gravity
R. Loll (U. Utrecht), W. Westra (U. Utrecht), S. Zohren (U. Utrecht, RWTH Aachen)
10 pages, 4 figures. Talk given by S. Zohren at the Albert Einstein Century International Conference (Paris, July 18-22 2005)

"The recent progress in the Causal Dynamical Triangulations (CDT) approach to quantum gravity indicates that gravitation is nonperturbatively renormalizable. We review some of the latest results in 1+1 and 3+1 dimensions with special emphasis on the 1+1 model. In particular we discuss a nonperturbative implementation of the sum over topologies in the gravitational path integral in 1+1 dimensions. The dynamics of this model shows that the presence of infinitesimal wormholes leads to a decrease in the effective cosmological constant. Similar ideas have been considered in the past by Coleman and others in the formal setting of 4D Euclidean path integrals. A remarkable property of the model is that in the continuum limit we obtain a finite space-time density of microscopic wormholes without assuming fundamental discreteness. This shows that one can in principle make sense out of a gravitational path integral including a sum over topologies, provided one imposes suitable kinematical restrictions on the state-space that preserve large scale causality."
 
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Team Loll

Hi there,
Yes I'm indeed a member of the team
First I want to apologize for the very bad English,
It is really funny to read that some of you are following our weblog,
I red that there were a few questions about my name. So I'll give a quick answer to them.
No I'm not related to the famous (well in the Netherlands he is) weather man Erwin Krol. Also my mother is not a sculptor. I'm just an extract of a two musicians, nobody ever heard of.
You also wanted to know who TL was? It stands just for Team Loll. All the drawings are in fact made by Egbert Rijke. We are lucky to have him in our team.
The three youngest of the group (me included) are not following any course for this project,we are just interested in Renates theory and we do all this in our spare time. I'm really glad to have this upportunity.
so if there are any questions, ask them, I'll see what I can do,
greetings,
Quirine
 
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Hey People!
this is great! we have a Physicsforums contact with Loll's team of Utrecht students.
Hello Quirine,
no I don't have any questions just now, but please look in from time to time---maybe I or somebody will think of some things we want to know that you can tell us!

several of us here also, like you, are interested in Loll's CDT approach to exploring the fundamental nature of spacetime

also Renate Loll kicks butt-----and she writes pretty good English too.

is it alright to post this SONS link
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~sons/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=56
it has your student organization photo so we can have an idea how you look
if this is not OK, say and I will erase the link

(it is all right to be from musicians family, I am right now listening to a clarinet quintet in A major by Mozart, he liked the clarinet and used to play it himself and he wrote some sweet music for it)
 
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Quirine, I just had a thought. Is there anything you would like US to think about or try to explain? you have indicated that we could ask you questions about Team Loll and your website competition, and you would try to answer.

we can reciprocate and say is there anything you would like us to try to explain? (we might not be able to but we could attempt it:smile: )

For example. I find Willem Westra work on topology-change very interesting. It allows spacetime to be frothy, like beer. or seltzer water.
you, Quirine, could ask us to explain WHY we think modeling microscopic very brief topology change in the Loll path integral is interesting. We could try to explain.

It is just an idea, maybe it would not work (after all, I am just an interested observer, not a QG expert).
 
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that would be great, because for me it's only an vage intuition why this all makes sense.
Eversince I was a kid Triangles were very interesting. From Pyramids to geometry on secundary school. There was also a course where you must build our own dream house.. geuss what? Mine was build of tetrahedrons... Then I went to the University of Utrecht and there was suddenly Renate Loll with her triangulations, it catched my eye immediately.
So if you would be very kind to explain some things it would be really great
 
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Quirine said:
...so if there are any questions, ask them, I'll see what I can do,
greetings,
Quirine

actually I have a question.
I am very curious to know something, if it is not awkward or inappropriate to be asking

I want very much to know how Willem is coming in the project to extend the topology-change result from 2D to 3D (or, if we could be so fortunate to 4D!)

my feeling is that it will be very hard to extend the result! I would like to know if there is any progress
 
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well, I'm afraid I can't answer this technical questions myself, I would ask Willem to do so, but we all are running out of time, especially Renate en Willem, so I think you have to wait for that kind of answers. Maybe next year I will understand a bit of this all, but I think you can't wait for that...
In this case I will ask Willem tomorrow for a answer that I can understand and which I can tell you... Do you want to know it mathematically? Or Physically?
Renate explains this thing to other people, she uses a piece of paper which she crumples. It depends on how deep you look how many dimensions you measure/calculate. The strange thing about it is that you can also have solutions that varies from 2 till 3 dimensions, but I think you knew this already
 
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Quirine said:
So if you would be very kind to explain some things it would be really great

it probably is not efficient for me to try to explain the basics of Loll's approach, you can get better teaching close to home!

but I can talk about some aspects, like why is Westra's work so interesting.

AFAIK (abbreviation for As Far As I Know) there is no other quantum model of spacetime that can handle the appearance of microscopic suddenly appearing and vanishing holes and bubbles in space.

Other QG models I think can only handle a spacetime that is like a continuous block-----the block can have a changing geometry, like Jello, that can bend and tremble-----but it cannot suddenly get a hole

in other QG models you cannot have suddenly tiny holes and tunnels that suddenly come into existence and then flicker out of existence.

but in Loll QG, if it is simplified down to a 2D world, you CAN have!

like a little bubble that appears for a moment and then goes away

the word that I think of is FIZZY, a space that is fizzy, like I remember my first drink of ginger ale, or so-called "sparkling water" the tiny bubbles are like sparks. you feel them prickly on the tongue

if Loll and Westra do not succeed in extending this fizziness to higher dimension that will still be OK-----the CDT is still a very good interesting approach

but if they succeed, then that would be a way in which the CDT approach is special, it would make it stand out before all others (AFAIK)having holes and bubbles and tunnels that are very tiny, and which exist only for a moment, is an example of something that is called TOPOLOGY CHANGE
and so one can look back in the ARXIV (a kind of electronic online library) and find the 2003 papers of Loll and Westra about topology change in the 2D version of CDT.

they call it "topology change" because this sounds more serious than if they call it "fizzy spacetime"

be careful, maybe i am wrong or giving you the wrong idea.
check with Westra if this is the right picture

I am listening to an old recording of MOZART figaro sung in german by anneliese rothenberger, hermann prey and walter berry and the dresden philharmonic it is ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC
 
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Quirine said:
Do you want to know it mathematically? Or Physically?
...

Physically!

but actually, don't worry
if you are running short of time, don't bother with my question
just focus on what you have to do, the rest will easily wait

(sorry did not see your post until just now)

it is late at night there, yes?
 
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