Quantum Measurement: Sharp vs Unsharp - How to Determine?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of quantum measurements, specifically distinguishing between sharp and unsharp measurements. Participants explore how to quantify unsharpness and the implications of operational quantum mechanics on measurement outcomes.

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  • One participant inquires about methods to determine if a quantum measurement is sharp or unsharp and whether unsharpness can be measured.
  • Another participant mentions that simultaneous measurements on non-commuting observables result in unsharp measurements and questions how to quantify this unsharpness.
  • A different participant references a formal definition of unsharpness from a source, expressing confusion about the underlying physics and asking for clarification on recognizing non-projector effects.
  • One participant begins to understand that in operational quantum mechanics, measurement outcomes are associated with operators on Hilbert space rather than vectors, providing an example with an optical device and discussing the implications for sharp and unsharp detection based on the polarization of photons.
  • The same participant notes that certain configurations lead to sharp detection while others result in unsharp measurements, particularly highlighting the case when the angle α is π/2, which corresponds to maximal unsharpness for specific detectors.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the definitions and implications of sharp versus unsharp measurements. There is no consensus on how to quantify unsharpness or fully clarify the physics behind it.

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Some discussions involve references to specific mathematical formulations and operational definitions, which may not be fully understood by all participants. The conversation reflects a range of familiarity with the concepts and terminologies used in quantum measurement theory.

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Individuals interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those exploring measurement theory, operational quantum mechanics, and the distinctions between sharp and unsharp measurements.

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How can we see if a quantum measurement is sharp or unsharp ? can we measure unsharpness?
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Could you look at this http://www.johnboccio.com/research/quantum/notes/Operational_QM.pdf
http://www.johnboccio.com/research/quantum/notes/Operational_QM.pdf
Busch gives a formal definition of unsharpness on page 36. I do not undestand what is the physics behind that. Could you comment.
The author writes Eu (H) = Ep (H)\P(H)
So unsharp measurements have outputs that are non projector effects.
The question is now: How can i recognize a non projector?
 
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I am beginning to see how it works.
In operational quantum mechanics, the outcomes of an apparatus are no more associated to vectors in H but to operators on H.
take an optical device with one input channel receiving linear polarized photons and with 3 output channels associated to
\begin{pmatrix}
cos^2(\alpha) & 0 \\
0 & 0
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
sin^2(\alpha) & 0 \\
0 & 0
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
0 & 0 \\
0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}
They sum to Id
There is a difference between the three outputs:
If you prepare down photons and send them thru the device the third detector detector 1 and 2 will not click and the 3th will click. we have here a sharp detection.
We cannot prepare a state so that the only first detector will click detectors 1 and 2 are associated to unsharp measurement (unless alpha 0)
if ##\alpha = \pi /2## we have a maximal unsharpness for detectors 1 and 2.
they will have a 1/2 probability to click for an up photon
 

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