Quantum Mechanics & Force: Wave-Particle Duality

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The discussion revolves around the nature of force in quantum mechanics (QM) and its relationship to wave-particle duality. Participants explore whether the classical concept of force as a vector applies in QM or if it is fundamentally altered by the principles of quantum theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how force is conceptualized in QM, suggesting it may differ from classical mechanics.
  • Another participant proposes that QM relies on the concept of fields rather than traditional force vectors.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that force in Newtonian mechanics describes interactions, while in QM, interactions are described through potential energy, losing the vectorial nature of force.
  • One participant provides an example involving charged particles and Coulomb's force, explaining how this interaction potential influences the Schrödinger equation and the evolution of quantum states.
  • Another participant mentions that QM is based on Hamiltonian mechanics, which incorporates kinetic and potential energy terms rather than force directly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role and definition of force in quantum mechanics, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of translating classical concepts of force into the framework of quantum mechanics, with participants noting the potential loss of geometrical meaning and the reliance on interaction potentials.

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if matter in QM is considered to be more like waves with that particle duality what happens when a force is applied in QM, is it like classical where the force is a vector or does that change also in QM.
 
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I think that in QM we rely on the concept of fields.
 
Force is a concept in Newtonian mechanics that describes an interaction between two subsystems (say, two particles). In quantum theory, one has a different way to do so: one describes the interaction potential (which, in the case of the quantum description of a classical system, is indeed the potential energy that would give you the said force). The geometrical meaning of a force as a vector is lost in quantum mechanics (that is, you can't do anything with it, except use it to derive the interaction potential).

For instance, if you have two charged particles at positions p1 and p2, then you will have an interaction potential due to Coulomb's "force" as given by q1 q2 /(4 pi eps0 |p1 - p2|)

This term will enter into the Schroedinger equation which tells you how the quantum state (the "waves" if you want to) will change, and lo and behold, they will change in a way which resembles the action of a repulsive or attractive force.
 
alright thanks.
 
The reason why we don't speak of force is that QM is based on Hamiltonian mechanics, which is Kinetic + Potential Term.
 

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