Quantum Violation of Equivalency Principle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential violation of the Equivalency Principle at the quantum level, exploring whether this is a genuine phenomenon or merely a conceptual trick. The scope includes theoretical implications, speculative reasoning, and references to experimental possibilities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the validity of the Equivalency Principle at the quantum level, suggesting it may be violated.
  • Others propose that Quantum Gravity may provide answers to the questions raised about the Equivalency Principle.
  • One participant suggests that the observed effects could be attributed to modifications of gravitational force rather than a change in gravitational mass.
  • There is speculation that current theories do not adequately cover the phenomenon, likening it to dividing by zero.
  • A participant mentions that an experiment could potentially demonstrate differences in results predicted by quantum field theory versus those observed in a 1G gravitational field.
  • Another participant raises doubts about the significance of the findings, comparing them to pseudo-magnetic-monopoles and questioning whether they represent fundamental discoveries or merely interesting effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the potential violation of the Equivalency Principle, with no consensus on whether it is a significant issue or merely speculative. Multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the interpretation of the phenomenon and its theoretical implications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in current theoretical frameworks and the dependence on future experimental results to clarify the issues raised. There is an acknowledgment of unresolved mathematical and conceptual challenges.

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Is it possible that the Equivalency Principle is violated at the quantum level?

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25331/

Or is this just some kind of trick, like dividing by zero?
 
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It's probably going to be up to Quantum Gravity to answer this question.
 
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25331/
Isn't that just a modification of gravitational force? Instead of varying gravitational mass, we could just add a force correction, that will do the right thing.
 
K^2 said:
It's probably going to be up to Quantum Gravity to answer this question.

For now, it's as good as dividing by 0 however, to use the OP's metaphor, don't you think? It's just, "not covered in the material" that currently exists, leaving only speculation and guesses until the next round of predictive theories comes around.
 
nismaratwork said:
For now, it's as good as dividing by 0 however, to use the OP's metaphor, don't you think? It's just, "not covered in the material" that currently exists, leaving only speculation and guesses until the next round of predictive theories comes around.
The article claims that the experiment could probably be done within a few years, so it doesn't seem to be a purely theoretical issue. I'd guess the authors are claiming there's some experiment that could be done in the 1G gravity at Earth's surface that would give different results than what quantum field theory would predict would be seen by an observer accelerating at 1G in flat spacetime.
 
I can't help but wonder how significant this really is. Recently, there have been demonstrations of pseudo-magnetic-monopoles in special materials. These are analogous to hole-electron pairs in a semiconductor since they occur as north/south pairs as separate entities, hence they are not real particles of the same status as real magnetic-monopoles, which, if they were proved to exist, would have major theoretical implications. Isn't this idea of confining particles in boxes etc., to separate inertial and gravitational mass, just a similar trick? That is, one creates pseudo-effects that are interesting and important discoveries, but not of fundamental significance?
 
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