Does Using 365.25 Instead of 365 Affect the Birthday Problem Calculation?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of using "365.25" instead of "365" in the calculations related to the Birthday Problem. Participants explore the impact of this adjustment on the probability outcomes and consider the suitability of different models for an undergraduate audience.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether anyone has used "365.25" in the standard approach to the Birthday Problem, expressing concern about potential surprises in their editing work.
  • Another suggests extending the period to 400 years to account for various leap day rules, indicating a broader consideration of the problem.
  • A participant notes that using "365" and "366" yields results that differ by 0.001 to four decimal places, while "365.25" results in a smaller probability.
  • There is a discussion about finding a model that is appropriate for undergraduate students and converges to the empirical probability as per the Law of Large Numbers.
  • One participant highlights that empirical probability would consider the non-uniform distribution of births throughout the year.
  • Another participant mentions being unaware of other leap day rules and expresses interest in referencing them in their work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of using "365.25" versus "365" in calculations, with some suggesting it makes little difference while others note significant variations in probability outcomes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best model to use.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to the assumptions made about leap years and the distribution of birthdays, which may affect the calculations and conclusions drawn from different models.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to educators, students in probability and statistics, and authors involved in writing educational materials on the Birthday Problem and related topics.

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Has anyone seen this alternative?
Has any solver replaced "365" by "365.25" in the standard approach? I'm editing a book, and don't want unpleasant surprises when it appears. Please include URRL's and ancillary information. Finally let me apologize to site coordinators if this is off the reservation. Thanks!
 
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You could take the standard approach and extend the period to 400 years to cover all possible leap day rules.
 
Ben2 said:
Summary:: Has anyone seen this alternative?

Has any solver replaced "365" by "365.25" in the standard approach? I'm editing a book, and don't want unpleasant surprises when it appears. Please include URRL's and ancillary information. Finally let me apologize to site coordinators if this is off the reservation. Thanks!
It doesn't make a lot of difference, for the obvious reason.
 
I was unaware of other leap day rules as posted by fresh_42, but may reference that in the book. On PeroK's comment, using 365 and 366 give answers differing by .001 to 4 d.p.'s; but 365.25 gives me a smaller probability.
The question is, Which model is simultaneously suitable for an undergrad readership and converges (Law of Large Numbers) to the empirical probability?
Thanks for all comments and references provided.
 
Ben2 said:
The question is, Which model is simultaneously suitable for an undergrad readership and converges (Law of Large Numbers) to the empirical probability?
Thanks for all comments and references provided.
The empirical probability would take account of the non-uniform pattern in births throughout the year.
 
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I was unaware of other leap day rules as posted by fresh_42
An interesting consequence of which is that the 13th of the month falls on a Friday a little more often than 1/7.
 
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