Question about Ananova Article: Does it Make Sense?

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The discussion revolves around an article from Ananova that reports on a burglar-proof door allegedly having a voltage of 149 volts. Participants express confusion and skepticism regarding the claims made in the article, questioning the feasibility of voltage existing in a single chunk of metal and exploring possible explanations for the reported phenomenon.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how voltage can exist through a single chunk of metal, suggesting there may be special conditions related to the door's construction.
  • One participant proposes that the voltage could be due to current leaking from an underground pipe, indicating a possible external source of electrical discharge.
  • There is uncertainty about whether the current is a continuous flow or a one-time discharge, with references to capacitors and the potential for the door to act as one.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the article's credibility, suggesting it may be a hoax or an attention grabber.
  • Concerns are raised about the electrician's description of the voltage, with one participant questioning the validity of the claim that voltage could exist without an external source.
  • Induction is mentioned as a possible explanation, but it is noted that it would require specific conditions that may not apply to the door in question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the validity of the article or the existence of the reported voltage. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the plausibility of the claims and the mechanisms that could explain the phenomenon.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the article, including a lack of clarity on whether the voltage is continuous or a result of a one-time discharge. There is also uncertainty regarding the conditions under which the voltage could exist in the door.

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I have a quick question
about this ananova article that's been bothering me. I can't figure out any way it makes sense. (and ananova usually doesn't publish complete bs as far as I know)
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3148241.html
basically, my question is: does it make sense to you? how is there voltage through a single chunk of metal? or is there something special about a burglar-proof door, like two separate panels or something? but then why wouldn't it just discharge completely when they connect a wire to the two sides?
What am I missing?
 
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Fantasmagoria said:
I have a quick question
about this ananova article that's been bothering me. I can't figure out any way it makes sense. (and ananova usually doesn't publish complete bs as far as I know)
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3148241.html
basically, my question is: does it make sense to you? how is there voltage through a single chunk of metal? or is there something special about a burglar-proof door, like two separate panels or something? but then why wouldn't it just discharge completely when they connect a wire to the two sides?
What am I missing?
I don't think you're missing anything. I read the article three times and the source of the current is a mystery. It's pretty much a story about mysterious electrical discharge.

How it might be possible is that there might be current leaking into some old underground pipe near the surface under the doorway from a short somewhere else in the neighborhood and he made contact with the pipe when he drove a screw down to secure the new metal doorjamb. That's as plausible a guess as any.

It's not clear from the article if a capacitor discharge is suggested or if the current is continuous, even when the building's power was cut. Could they light that bulb continuously when the building's power was off, or was it a one-shot discharge? At any rate I assume the door has two separate 'iron' (probably actually steel) panels with lighter filler between (a potential capacitor if the two panels somehow ended up not being shorted to each other). A solid iron door would be incredibly heavy, and it would require expensive casting and then heavy duty machining to square it up.

A more wacky notion that also occurred to me is that, if the door's manufacturer included some kind of wax, or waxed paper between the two outer panels they might have inadvertently created a really big electret.

We'll never know unless some clever detective examines the door and surroundings and figures it out and they post a follow up story.

If we give them both a crash course in basic electricity, who will solve the mystery first, House or Monk?
 
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The story itself, from the website, sounds suspect to me.
I would say that the whole thing is a hoax; an attention grabber.
 
"An electrician checked the door and found it had 149 volts running through it"

Did the electrician describe the voltage as "running through" the door? If so, I'd check his credentials.

Even if he does mean that there was a voltage drop across the door, this article is still bogus.

In order for there to be EMF in a chunk of a conductor, it would have to be hooked up to an external voltage source, like a battery. The door could have a charge without this, but simply having a net charge will not consistently produce 149 volts. There could be some induction going on, but that would only really work if the door were grounded and there was something else near the door that had a charge. Still, this wouldn't produce voltage across the door.
 

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