Question about Cosmic Bagground Radiation

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The discussion revolves around the nature of Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) radiation and its historical transformation from gamma radiation to its current state. Participants explore the implications of this transformation, particularly regarding the visibility of the radiation in the early universe and its appearance at different stages of cosmic evolution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the CMB was once visible radiation and questions what it would have looked like during that time.
  • Another participant explains that before a redshift of about 1000, the universe was opaque and the CMB would have appeared as a uniform visible glow, akin to the outer atmosphere of the sun.
  • A different participant adds that the frequency of radiation changes with redshift and estimates that the CMB would have peaked optically at a redshift of around 2500, indicating a time before the formation of stars and atoms.
  • One participant corrects an earlier claim by noting that the CMB radiation was around 3000K when originally emitted, which is cooler than the surface of the sun.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the visibility and characteristics of the CMB at different points in cosmic history. There is no consensus on the exact nature of the CMB's appearance or the implications of its temperature and redshift.

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Participants discuss the implications of redshift and the state of the universe during the emission of the CMB, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities of these concepts or their interdependencies.

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Hello there :)
Been thinking about something for a while and i didn't really know where to seek out the answer, so i hope there is someone out there, whom might be able to answer it for me :) It's simply just something I've been wandering about, but here goes :)

If i am to be correct, then the Microwave Bagground Radiation once used to be gamma radiation insted, right? If so would that meen that once upon a time, the Bagground Radiation would have been in the visible spectre? If so, what would it have looked like? and would we have been able to see it when we looked up upon the stars in the sky then?


Hope it's okay i post here, didn't really know where else to put the post :)

Best regards a curious Danish guy :)
 
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Yes, at one time the CMB was visible radiation. Before a redshift of about 1000 (about 300,000 years after the big bang), the universe was made primarily of charged particles and radiation in thermal equilibrium with them. At this time the universe was opaque. As the universe cooled below a few thousand degrees K, the charged particles combined to form neutral atoms, and at this time the universe became transparent and the radiation propagated without scattering until we see it today. If we could have seen it at that point (this point is called 'decoupling'), it would have been a uniform visible glow. It would have looked more or less like what you would see (before you were incinerated!) if you were placed inside the outer atmosphere of the sun. However, at that point there were no stars, since the universe was still too uniform to have clumped up into stars. The first stars did not form until much later - how much later is a topic of current research, but probably at least hundreds of millions of years later.
 
Hi Sahota, great question!
There was definitely a time when the CMB was the COB (the Cosmic 'Optical' Background ;). The frequency of radiation changes as \nu \propto \frac{1}{1+z} for the cosmological redshift 'z'. The CMB is currently at a wavelength of about a millimeter, so the redshift for an optically-peaked CMB would be something like z~2500. This is in the very very early universe, long long before the first stars, galaxies, etc etc; and even before the first atoms had formed (everything was in a plasma). Because of this, the ambient medium of plasma was very 'optically thick' or 'opaque' (it absorbs the light, keeping it from free-streaming out, like it does now). I think this would mean everything would be in a warm, gaseous glow.

and at the time every point in the sky would look like surface of the sun----exc
 
The CMB radiation was around 3000K when originally emitted so it was considerably cooler than the surface of our sun.
 

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