Undergrad Question about excited Helium states

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The discussion centers on the excited states of Helium, specifically the configurations of two electrons in the 1s and 2s orbitals, which can exhibit either parallel or anti-parallel spins. It is confirmed that any linear combination of the four eigenstates representing these configurations will also be an eigenstate with the same energy, although the specific combination discussed does not account for electron-electron interactions and fine structure. When these factors are considered, the linear combination mentioned becomes a superposition of different eigenstates, resulting in an average energy that lies between the energies of the original states. The conversation highlights the importance of perturbation theory in understanding these interactions, suggesting that the complexities of electron repulsion and fine structure may not be necessary for beginners. Overall, the thread emphasizes the nuanced nature of quantum states in multi-electron systems like Helium.
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Most of the books I've seen they say that the first excited state of Helium (with two electrons, one in orbital 1s and other in 2s) can have the two electrons with parallel spin (orthohelium) or anti-parallel spin (parahelium).
If ##\operatorname{X_{↑}}{\left (n \right )}## represent the state of particle n with spin up, there are the following possible states:

Anti-parallel spin:

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A \left(\operatorname{X_{↑}}{\left (1 \right )} \operatorname{X_{↓}}{\left (2 \right )} - \operatorname{X_{↑}}{\left (2 \right )} \operatorname{X_{↓}}{\left (1 \right )}\right) \left(\operatorname{Ψ_{1s}}{\left (r_{1} \right )} \operatorname{Ψ_{2s}}{\left (r_{2} \right )} + \operatorname{Ψ_{1s}}{\left (r_{2} \right )} \operatorname{Ψ_{2s}}{\left (r_{1} \right )}\right)
##

Parallel spin:

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A \left(\operatorname{Ψ_{1s}}{\left (r_{1} \right )} \operatorname{Ψ_{2s}}{\left (r_{2} \right )} - \operatorname{Ψ_{1s}}{\left (r_{2} \right )} \operatorname{Ψ_{2s}}{\left (r_{1} \right )}\right) \operatorname{X_{↑}}{\left (1 \right )} \operatorname{X_{↑}}{\left (2 \right )}
##

##
A \left(\operatorname{Ψ_{1s}}{\left (r_{1} \right )} \operatorname{Ψ_{2s}}{\left (r_{2} \right )} - \operatorname{Ψ_{1s}}{\left (r_{2} \right )} \operatorname{Ψ_{2s}}{\left (r_{1} \right )}\right) \operatorname{X_{↓}}{\left (1 \right )} \operatorname{X_{↓}}{\left (2 \right )}
##

##
A \left(\operatorname{X_{↑}}{\left (1 \right )} \operatorname{X_{↓}}{\left (2 \right )} + \operatorname{X_{↑}}{\left (2 \right )} \operatorname{X_{↓}}{\left (1 \right )}\right) \left(\operatorname{Ψ_{1s}}{\left (r_{1} \right )} \operatorname{Ψ_{2s}}{\left (r_{2} \right )} - \operatorname{Ψ_{1s}}{\left (r_{2} \right )} \operatorname{Ψ_{2s}}{\left (r_{1} \right )}\right)
##From what I understand, any linear combinations of the above functions also represent two electrons in 1s and 2s orbitals, but if for example i add the first and the four function I get:

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A \left(\operatorname{X_{↑}}{\left (1 \right )} \operatorname{X_{↓}}{\left (2 \right )} \operatorname{Ψ_{1s}}{\left (r_{1} \right )} \operatorname{Ψ_{2s}}{\left (r_{2} \right )} - \operatorname{X_{↑}}{\left (2 \right )} \operatorname{X_{↓}}{\left (1 \right )} \operatorname{Ψ_{1s}}{\left (r_{2} \right )} \operatorname{Ψ_{2s}}{\left (r_{1} \right )}\right)
##

Becasue I add the Anti-parallel spin function and one of the Parallel spin functions, now I get a function that also represent two electrons in 1s and 2s orbitals, but it is neither parallel or antiparallel.(it's a superposition of both possibilities)

Is this correct or I'm missing something?
 
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Yes, that is correct - any linear combination of the four eigenstates will also be an eigenstate with the same energy.

But the particular choice you've made in your post is a rather special one. You are ignoring electron-electron interactions and fine structure (effects due to electron spin), but if you were to take those into account, you would in principle need to use degenerate perturbation theory, which involves diagonalizing your degenerate subspace with the perturbed Hamiltonian. But the perturbing Hamiltonian conserves total angular momentum (the sum of the electron spins in this case, since these are /ell=0 states), so you know that the correct basis is the one which are eigenstates of (\mathbf{S}_1 + \mathbf{S}_2)^2 and S^z_1 + S^z_2. The is precisely the basis you've written down, so to leading order we expect the actual Helium atom with electron-electron interactions will actually split these four states into a single nondegenerate state (the first one you've written down) and a threefold degenerate state.
 
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king vitamin said:
Yes, that is correct - any linear combination of the four eigenstates will also be an eigenstate with the same energy.

But the particular choice you've made in your post is a rather special one. You are ignoring electron-electron interactions and fine structure (effects due to electron spin), but if you were to take those into account, you would in principle need to use degenerate perturbation theory, which involves diagonalizing your degenerate subspace with the perturbed Hamiltonian. But the perturbing Hamiltonian conserves total angular momentum (the sum of the electron spins in this case, since these are /ell=0 states), so you know that the correct basis is the one which are eigenstates of (\mathbf{S}_1 + \mathbf{S}_2)^2 and S^z_1 + S^z_2. The is precisely the basis you've written down, so to leading order we expect the actual Helium atom with electron-electron interactions will actually split these four states into a single nondegenerate state (the first one you've written down) and a threefold degenerate state.
I'm a bit confused because I have't studied perturbation theory yet. So if we take account of electron repulsion and fine structure, what happens with the linear combination I have writted? Is it impossible for helium? Does it have more energy than the others?
Thanks for the answer.
 
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I'm a bit confused because I have't studied perturbation theory yet.

I'm sorry! I shouldn't have confused you by going beyond what you know. In some courses it is common to study the Helium atom along with perturbation theory, but I can see how the problem you're dealing with could be suited to a first semester quantum course.

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So if we take account of electron repulsion and fine structure, what happens with the linear combination I have writted?

If you take those into account, the linear combination you wrote down won't be an eigenstate anymore, it'll be a superposition of two different eigenstates (its average energy will lie between them). Basically, the first state you wrote down will be an eigenstate with some energy E1, and the other three will all be eigenstates with degenerate energy E2, and you've just taken some superposition of different energy eigenstates.

But anyways, if you have not seen perturbation theory yet perhaps you shouldn't worry about this right now. You can come back to this thread later on and see if what's I've said makes sense once you've worked a little with degenerate perturbation theory.
 
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Time reversal invariant Hamiltonians must satisfy ##[H,\Theta]=0## where ##\Theta## is time reversal operator. However, in some texts (for example see Many-body Quantum Theory in Condensed Matter Physics an introduction, HENRIK BRUUS and KARSTEN FLENSBERG, Corrected version: 14 January 2016, section 7.1.4) the time reversal invariant condition is introduced as ##H=H^*##. How these two conditions are identical?

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