Question about homogeneous dif. equations

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The discussion revolves around the concept of homogeneous differential equations, specifically addressing the confusion arising from different definitions of "homogeneous" in the context of differential equations. Participants explore the implications of these definitions in both first-order and linear equations.

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  • One participant expresses confusion over the term "homogeneous," noting that it can refer to equations where all terms are of the same degree or to linear equations that equal zero.
  • Another participant clarifies that the first definition applies only to first-order equations, while the second applies to linear equations.
  • A participant questions whether a specific equation, dy/dx = f(x)y, can satisfy both definitions, pointing out that the degree of f(x) would need to be considered.
  • A later reply acknowledges the initial misstatement and clarifies that a first-order differential equation is "homogeneous" in the first sense if it can be expressed as a function of y/x.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions of homogeneous equations, and multiple competing views remain regarding the applicability of these definitions to specific equations.

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There are limitations in the definitions provided, as the applicability of the term "homogeneous" depends on the context and the specific forms of the equations discussed. The discussion highlights the potential for confusion due to overlapping terminology.

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I've been confused for a little while as my teacher in dif. eq.'s taught us about homogeneous equations, where you can call an eq. homogeneous if all terms are of the same degree. But then, when seeing linear dif. equations we were taught that an homogeneous eq. is one with certain form and equal to zero. Ok to get to the point, I'm confused because I am sometimes asked whether an eq. is homogeneous or not...but I mean, it could not be homogeneous according to the first definition that I was taught and it could be homogeneous according to the second one...so what is a correct answer here??


Thanks for any help and I hope I got myself clear
 
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Yes, it is unfortunate that the same term is used for two completely different things!

However, the first use of "homogeneous" applies only to first order equations. The second use applies only to linear equations.

A first order differential equation that was "homogeneous" in the second sense would have to be of the form dy/dx= f(x)y and would be a relatively simple separable equation.
 
Thanks a lot!
...but wait, you said that an equation that would satisfy both definitions would be of the form dy/dx= f(x)y , but wouldn't it depend on f(x) to whether it satisfies the first definition(in which all terms are of the same degree)?
dy/dx has 0 degree right? y has a degree of 1, so f(x) would require a degree of -1 for the eq. to be homogeneous according to our first definition...or am I missing something?
 
No, you are right- I mispoke. A first order d.e. is "homogenous" in the first sense if dy/dx= f(x,y) and f(x,y) can be written as a function of the single expression y/x. That means that a linear, first order equation that is "homogenous" in both senses must be dy/dx= y/x!
 

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