Question about quantum entanglement

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The discussion revolves around the concept of measurement in quantum entanglement, specifically focusing on the implications of measurements made by two observers, Alice and Bob, who are separated by a significant distance. The scope includes theoretical considerations of quantum mechanics, measurement outcomes, and the nature of entangled particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if Alice measures her electron and it spins down, then Bob's measurement at the same time would yield a spin up, assuming they measure along the same axis.
  • Others argue that if Bob measures his electron at a later time, specifically at 00:11:00, the outcome remains unaffected by Alice's measurement, suggesting that the spins are always anti-correlated.
  • A participant clarifies that the measurements are spacelike separated, meaning that a light signal from Alice's measurement cannot reach Bob before he measures his electron.
  • There is a question raised about the outcome of Alice's repeated measurement of her electron, with options proposed that include always spinning up, always spinning down, or yielding a random result. Some participants suggest that repeated measurements typically yield the same result, independent of Bob's actions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of measurement timing and outcomes, particularly regarding the nature of spin measurements and the effects of entanglement. There is no consensus on the outcomes of Alice's repeated measurements or the implications of Bob's timing.

Contextual Notes

Some statements about reference frames and worldlines are noted as potentially inaccurate, but these do not affect the main discussion about measurement outcomes. The discussion also highlights the complexity of quantum measurement and the role of observer separation.

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Dear PF Forum,

I've been having this question for a long time.
I want to know how or what is measurement.

Supposed there are two observers. Alice and Bob,
They are separated 10 light minutes away. They are in the same frame of reference, meaning that their distance is the same all the time.
Not accelerating frame. So their proper time are the same, clocks are synchronized, and they have the same concept of "NOW"
They make an arrangement.

At 00:10:00, Alice measures her electron. It spins down.

I have two question here.

A. What if Bob measures his electron at 00:10:00? I think it spins up

B. What if Bob measures his electron at 00:11:00? Alice world line hasn't reached Bob's yet.
Considering in their agreement that after Alice measures her electron at 00:10:00,
- she does nothing.
- Bob does nothing either until 00:11:00

will it spins
B1. Up
B2. Random?

Thank you very much for your enlightment.
 
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KingGambit said:
At 00:10:00, Alice measures her electron. It spins down.

I have two question here.

A. What if Bob measures his electron at 00:10:00? I think it spins up
If they measure spin about the same axis, then they will always get opposite values. So, yes, if Alice gets spin up, then Bob must get spin down.

KingGambit said:
B. What if Bob measures his electron at 00:11:00? Alice world line hasn't reached Bob's yet.
Considering in their agreement that after Alice measures her electron at 00:10:00,
- she does nothing.
- Bob does nothing either until 00:11:00

will it spins
B1. Up
B2. Random?
This doesn't change anything. The spins (about the same axis) are always opposite.

Note that some of your ideas and statements about reference frames and worldlines are not quite right, but that doesn't affect the main issue of perfectly anti-correlated spin measurements.
 
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KingGambit said:
Supposed there are two observers. Alice and Bob,
They are separated 10 light minutes away. They are in the same frame of reference, meaning that their distance is the same all the time.
Not accelerating frame. So their proper time are the same, clocks are synchronized, and they have the same concept of "NOW"
A better way to describe this is that they share an inertial rest frame.

KingGambit said:
Alice world line hasn't reached Bob's yet.
I think you mean that a light signal from the event of Alice's measurement cannot have reached Bob by the time he makes his measurement. Technically this means that the measurement events are spacelike separated.
 
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Thank you, thank you very much Perok
 
I think I have one other question (many actually, but it's the only one that I can think of).
When Alice measure her electron it spins up.
What happens when Alice measure her electron again some times later?
Considering that Bob does not do anything, and nobody tampering with Alice electron.
Will it
- Always spins up?
- Always spins down?
- Random
 
KingGambit said:
I think I have one other question (many actually, but it's the only one that I can think of).
When Alice measure her electron it spins up.
What happens when Alice measure her electron again some times later?
Considering that Bob does not do anything, and nobody tampering with Alice electron.
Will it
- Always spins up?
- Always spins down?
- Random
In general, if you repeat a measurement of spin you get the same result. This has nothing to do with what Bob does.
 
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