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The discussion revolves around the cosmic microwave background (CMB) and its connection to the Big Bang, as well as methods for determining the age of radiation. Participants explore the implications of recombination and the nature of the early universe.

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  • Participants question how the CMB is linked to the Big Bang and discuss the process of recombination. There are inquiries about the methods used to infer the age of radiation, highlighting the complexity of direct measurements.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the CMB and the Big Bang, while others reflect on the psychological aspects of scientific discovery and prediction. The discussion includes various interpretations and acknowledges the complexity of the topics without reaching a consensus.

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There is mention of the challenges in measuring the age of the universe and the reliance on indirect methods, as well as the historical context of the CMB's discovery and its implications for scientific understanding.

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This may seem like a naive or obvious question, which is why I posted it here.

How do we know the cosmic microwave background came from the Big Bang? How can we tell how old radiation is?
 
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How do we know the cosmic microwave background came from the Big Bang?

It didn't. Not directly at least. It is from an event known as recombination. The CMB is the final bit of thermal radiation from the hot plasma that filled the early universe. It was simply the radiation that was released just prior to, and during, the transition from a plasma that was opaque to EM radiation to a gas of hydrogen and helium that was transparent to EM radiation. Basically, as the universe aged and expanded, the plasma cooled and became less dense. Eventually it reached a point where it had cooled sufficiently for protons to recombine with electrons to form atoms.

Prior to recombination this thermal radiation was simply reabsorbed by the plasma. However, once the universe became transparent to EM radiation that final bit that was emitted right at the transition was able to travel freely. This is what we see when we look at the CMB except that it's been redshifted substantially by expansion.

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How can we tell how old radiation is?

It's quite complicated, as we can't directly measure the age of the universe or of the light. Instead we have to infer the ages based on other things, such as the proportions of different types of stars in star clusters, the temperature of white dwarfs, and the Hubble constant. I wish I had a good article to send you to, but I do not. Perhaps someone else here can give you a good reference.
 
Thank you so much! This is of great help!
 
There could be a psychological reason why your question has not been very much asked. If CMB had just been discovered and someone afterwards had said hey, I think I've got a fantastic explanation, people might have been persuaded round to the idea more gradually and grudgingly. But when it was predicted I think people said, oh interesting maybe, h'mm, but no one can actually see this radiation - until then! , suddenly one day 15 years after it had been predicted it showed up, found by people some of whom didn't even know it was supposed to exist, and had properties pretty much as predicted, that discovery sequence somehow had more impact.

I think epistemologists have debated whether something being predicted gives more weight as evidence than the same explanation of the same phenomena given after their discovery. I don't know whether they reached an agreed conclusion. It seems to me that logically the status is the same in the two cases. But psychologically prediction convinces much more than postdiction.
 
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