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The discussion centers around a mathematical proof related to Euler's formula and the product of integers that are relatively prime to a given integer m. Participants explore how to demonstrate that the product of these integers, denoted as B, is congruent to either 1 or -1 modulo m.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the product B of integers that are relatively prime to m and questions how to show that B is congruent to 1 or -1 modulo m.
  • Another participant references Wilson's theorem, suggesting that the proof could be adjusted to apply to the current problem involving composite m.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in applying Wilson's theorem due to the nature of composite numbers, noting that solutions for a^2=1 (mod m) do not necessarily lead to a=1 or m-1.
  • One participant proposes that for each bi, there exists a corresponding bj such that bibj=1 (mod m), and discusses the implications of pairing these products.
  • Another participant reiterates the pairing argument, suggesting that some pairs will yield products of 1 and others -1, but does not conclude definitively about B.
  • Further clarification is provided about the conditions under which bj^2=1 (mod m) leads to a specific pairing that results in -1 modulo m.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to conclusively show that B is congruent to 1 or -1 modulo m. Multiple competing views and approaches are presented, with ongoing uncertainty regarding the implications of the pairing arguments.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in applying Wilson's theorem to composite numbers and the challenges in concluding the properties of B without additional assumptions or clarifications regarding the nature of the integers involved.

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Let b1,b2,...bn be the integers between 1 and m that are relative prime to m (including 1), and let B = b1*b2*...*bn be their product. The quantity B came up during the proof of euler formula. a^n = 1 (mod m), where n is number of integers between 1 and m that relative prime to m.

How can I show B=1 (mod m ) or B = -1(mod m)?
 
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Have you seen Wilson's theorem? This states that (p-1)!=-1 (mod p) for prime p.

Can you adjust the proof so that it also works in this case?
 
micromass said:
Have you seen Wilson's theorem? This states that (p-1)!=-1 (mod p) for prime p.

Can you adjust the proof so that it also works in this case?

I have tried, but fail in the last step:
In Wilson's proof, the number satisfy a^2=1(mod p) -> (a-1)(a+1) = p*n. Since 0<=a<p
a= 1 or p-1 only. So for 2,3,...,p-2, I can group them into pairs without repeat such that the pair product = 1 (mod p)...

But in my problem, the number satisfy a^2=1(mod m) does not imply a=1 or m-1 since m is a composite number. (e.g. 3^2=1(mod 8))

I also modify my proof. Consider B^2=b1^2*b2^2*...bn^2. I have showed that for each bi, there exist unique bj such that bi*bj=1 (mod m) (similar to Wilson’s proof). Although we don't know bi is equal to bj or not.

So I divide the number into 2 groups,
1st group: bi*bj=1 (mod m) for i <>j
2nd group: bi*bj=1 (mod m) for i = j

So B^2 = 1 (mod m) but the same problem occurs,
It cannot be concluded that B= 1 or -1(mod m)
 
Well, you could show the following:

For each bi, there exists a bj such that bibj=1 (mod m). If bi happens to equal bj, then there exists a br such that bibr=-1 (mod m).

So you can group the product into pairs again. Some pairs will multiply to 1 and some will multiply to -1.
 
micromass said:
Well, you could show the following:

For each bi, there exists a bj such that bibj=1 (mod m). If bi happens to equal bj, then there exists a br such that bibr=-1 (mod m).

So you can group the product into pairs again. Some pairs will multiply to 1 and some will multiply to -1.

I get it! Thanks.
 
micromass said:
Well, you could show the following:

For each bi, there exists a bj such that bibj=1 (mod m). If bi happens to equal bj, then there exists a br such that bibr=-1 (mod m).

So you can group the product into pairs again. Some pairs will multiply to 1 and some will multiply to -1.
If bj^2 = 1 mod m then bj *(m -bj) = -1 mod m
 
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