Question: How does gravity affect the speed of light in a black hole?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of gravity on the speed of light, particularly in the context of black holes. Participants explore concepts related to the behavior of light near the event horizon and the implications of general relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the gravitational pull of a black hole could potentially speed up light beyond its established speed limit.
  • Another participant asserts that photons, being massless, do not speed up due to gravity and instead follow a curved path towards the singularity, with the phenomenon of gravitational redshift causing them to lose energy.
  • A subsequent participant seeks clarification on how light, despite having no mass, can be bent or spiral due to gravity.
  • Another reply explains that in general relativity, gravity is described as the curvature of space-time, and light follows this curvature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interaction between gravity and light, particularly regarding the possibility of light speeding up in a gravitational field. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about massless particles and the interpretation of gravitational effects on light, which are not fully explored.

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i don't know much about the subject but since I've gotten interested in it there is something that has been on my my mind.

if light would pass through the event horizon in a black hole the gravity would be to strong for it to escape. since it can't escape it would be pulled down to the point of singularity of the black hole. my question is that would the force of gravity pulling down on light be able to actually speed the light up possibly faster then the speed of light?
 
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Light is a massless particle. Though it exhibits some particle properties (duality of light), a photon has no real mass. Because of this, photons do not follow everything that particles with mass do. One of these is speeding up due to gravity. In a black hole, the photon's path with bend and spiral due to the gravity of the black hole until it reaches the center but not speed up.

The interesting thing that happens is that the photon will lose energy when going towards the event horizon and eventually become invisible once it reaches this boundary (gravitational redshift). But the photon itself will never go faster than c.
 
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thank you for that! if light doesn't have any mass how is it that it can be bent or made spiral because of gravity?
 
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Welcome to PF!

Hi boredjavi! Welcome to PF! :wink:
boredjavi said:
thank you for that! if light doesn't have any mass how is it that it can be bent or made spiral because of gravity?

In general relativity, there is no force of gravity … "gravity" is just the curvature of space-time.

Light (like everything else) follows the curvature of space-time. :smile:
 

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