Question on bra vs ket notation

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The discussion centers on the differences between bra and ket vectors in the context of specifying spin states, particularly regarding their equivalence and implications for calculating probability amplitudes. The scope includes theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics and mathematical representations in finite-dimensional vector spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that bra and ket vectors are equivalent in the context of spin states due to the finite-dimensional nature of the vector spaces involved.
  • Others argue that while the dual space (bras) is isomorphic to the space of kets, there are still conceptual and notational distinctions between the two vector spaces, especially in Dirac notation.
  • One participant notes that the Hilbert space's dual can be identified with the Hilbert space itself, but this does not apply to generalized eigenvectors of self-adjoint operators in the continuous spectrum.
  • Another participant points out that in a fixed basis, a bra is represented as a row vector and a ket as a column vector, emphasizing their conjugate transpose relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether bra and ket vectors are equivalent, with some asserting equivalence in finite-dimensional spaces and others maintaining that conceptual distinctions remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of dual spaces and the specific contexts in which bra and ket notation is applied. The discussion also touches on the implications of using Dirac notation and the properties of Hilbert spaces.

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What's the difference between a bra vector and ket vector in specifying spin states except for notational convenience when calculating probablility amplitudes? Are they equivalent?
 
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Ahmed1029 said:
What's the difference between a bra vector and ket vector in specifying spin states except for notational convenience when calculating probablility amplitudes? Are they equivalent?

In the case of spin states, there answers is that there is no difference. This is because we are dealing with finite-dimensional vector spaces.
 
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andresB said:
In the case of spin states, there answers is that there is no difference. This is because we are dealing with finite-dimensional vector spaces.
The dual space (bras) is isomorphic to the space of kets. But, conceptually and notationally there are still two vector spaces here. Especially if we are using Dirac notation.
 
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PeroK said:
The dual space (bras) is isomorphic to the space of kets. But, conceptually and notationally there are still two vector spaces here. Especially if we are using Dirac notation.
Well, yes. Still, you can use one or the other space to compute probabilities and expected values in a very similar way, and that was the op question.
 
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The Hilbert space has the property that its dual space can be canonically identified with the Hilbert space itself. I.e., a given bound linear form ##L## is uniquely determined by a vector ##|L \rangle## via
$$L(|\psi \rangle)=\langle L|\psi \rangle.$$
Note that this does not (!) apply to generalized eigenvectors of a self-adjoint operator in the continuous part of its spectrum. Those refer to the dual of a dense subspace of the Hilbert space, where such an unbound self-adjoint operator, is defined, and which is larger than the Hilbert space. This becomes most clear in the "rigged-Hilbert-space formalism". For a short introduction, see, e.g., Ballentine, Quantum Mechanics.
 
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Ahmed1029 said:
What's the difference between a bra vector and ket vector in specifying spin states except for notational convenience when calculating probablility amplitudes? Are they equivalent?
Expressed in a fixed basis, the bra is a row vextor and the ket is a column vector.
A bra and a ket with the same label are conjugate transposed to each other; in particular, they need not contain the same numerical entries.
 
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