Question on the error of the estimated mean.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the estimation of the mean and the associated error from a series of measurements with varying reading errors. Participants explore the mathematical formulation for propagating errors in the context of statistical analysis, specifically focusing on whether the estimated mean error can be considered the standard error and the implications of using different measurement devices.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the estimated mean using the formula x_est=Ʃ x_i / N and proposes that the error in the estimated mean can be calculated using Δ(x_est) = Δx/N.
  • Another participant clarifies that the variance involves the error squares and that the standard deviation is its square root, suggesting that the divisor differs based on whether one is calculating variance or standard deviation.
  • A third participant notes that if each measurement has its own uncertainty, the original equation proposed by the first participant is correct, and confirms that when all measurement errors are the same, the error in the estimated mean simplifies to Δx/√N.
  • A later reply expresses confusion regarding the statements made about the error estimation and its implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to calculating the error in the estimated mean, with some supporting the original equations proposed and others questioning their clarity and correctness. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to apply in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the measurement errors and the conditions under which the equations apply, particularly regarding the use of different instruments and the implications for error propagation.

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So I took a series of measurements, where the reading error for the measurements are either ±0.01 mm or ±0.02 mm or ±0.03 mm or ±0.04 mm. Now, I can calculate the estimated mean of the measurements by x_est=Ʃ x_i / N, where x_i is the i th measurement. Then I can propagate the errors in the x_i quantities by Δx = √((Δx_1)^2 +...+(Δx_n)^2)
Then the error is estimated mean would be Δ(x_est) = Δx/N.
So, if I did everything correctly would the Δ(x_est) be the standard error?
And would each individual measurement X_i have to have the same reading error if the same device was used to measure them (ruler), then the above equation would become Δ(x_est) =Δx/√N?
 
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Your presentation is a little confusing. The variance involves the error squares and the standard deviation is its square root. When combining independent measurement errors, the divisor is N for the variance and √N for the standard deviation.
 
mathman, OP has a situation where each measurement can have its own uncertainty. This happens if you use different instruments for measurements, for example. Say, estimating velocity by taking measurements from GPS and accelerometers. In the simple example where each measurement is a direct measurment of a quantity and you estimate the mean, OP's equation is exactly right. Estimated error is the square root of the sum of the squares.

In case where all \Delta x are the same, you get \Delta x/\sqrt{N} for the answer, as you'd expect.
 
Then the error is estimated mean would be Δ(x_est) = Δx/N.
then the above equation would become Δ(x_est) =Δx/√N?

The above statements look confusing.
 

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