Question: what exactly is a singularity?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of singularities, particularly in the context of mathematics and physics, including their implications in general relativity and black holes. Participants explore definitions, examples, and theoretical considerations surrounding singularities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define a singularity as a point where a mathematical function behaves erratically, such as returning infinity, with examples like f(x) = 1/x at x=0.
  • Others connect the concept of singularities to black holes, noting that general relativity's equations become singular at the center of a black hole, suggesting incompleteness in the theory.
  • It is mentioned that the event horizon of a black hole is more significant than the singularity itself, as it is observable and consistent with current equations.
  • Some participants discuss the singularity associated with the expanding universe, cautioning against interpreting it as the moment of the Big Bang due to the breakdown of equations at that point.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of "naked singularities," which are theoretical singularities without event horizons, suggesting they could provide insights into the nature of singularities, although their existence is considered unlikely.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations of singularities, particularly in relation to black holes and the universe's expansion. There is no consensus on the implications or existence of naked singularities, and the discussion remains open-ended regarding the completeness of current theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in current theories, particularly regarding the physical significance of singularities and the breakdown of equations at certain points, indicating unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions.

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hi!, just wondered what exactly is a singularity?
yes i could google it, but i figured you guys were smarter.
on forehand, thanks.
 
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In general, a singularity is the concept of a mathematical function returning an infinity or some other misbehaviour. The mathematical definition is explained well at http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Singularity.html" .

For example, the function f(x) = 1/x 'is singular', i.e. has a singularity, at x=0.

Now, I assume however (correct me if I'm wrong) that you are asking your question in relation to Black Holes? In this case, the solution to the equations of General Relativity that describe Black Holes 'goes singular' at r=0 (where r is the radius from the centre of the Black Hole). What this almost certainly means is that the physical theory (in this case GR) is incomplete, and the fact that the solution contains a singuarity is strong evidence for that. That means you should not think of 'the singularity' of a black hole as being some object with some property. The fact is our equations don't work there, so we just don't know what goes on.

Fortunately, when it comes to black holes what is really important is the event horizon that surrounds the hole. Our equations do behave sensibly here, and we have observed things consistent with the existence of event horizons. Since anything that travels past this horizon cannot be observed again, it doesn't matter what goes on in the middle, as far as we know. Of course we'd still love to know the details, and this is in part the kind of problems that so called 'unified' theories of physics are hoping to one day solve.

Note that there is also a singularity in the solutions to GR for an expanding universe. This one occurs when the scale factor, a(t) (roughly speaking the relative size of the Universe as a function of time), goes to a=0 at some t. In the same way, this should not be thought of as having physical significance, even though it is very common to wrongly assert that this represents the moment of the 'Big Bang'. In fact it once again tells us our equations break down before we get to a=0, so that what we only know what happened back until a time when a(t) has a very small, but non-zero value. Extrapolating further to the a=0 point has no physical justification.

Once again, this is a shortcoming that is being actively worked on by many people, with various different extensions to current theories being examined.
 
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thankyou, a lot! you saved my day!
 
Also of note are the so called "naked singularities". These are theoretical objects that are singularities, but due to certain properties they possesses (e.g. angular momentum) do not have an event horizon. At no point near the singularity is there an area beyond which light cannot escape. If such objects exists, they would be of great use to our understanding of singularities since they would be the only singularities we could observe. These naked singularities are very odd, and as such, the likelihood of them existing is small.
 
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