A Assumptions of Hawking-Penrose 1970 Singularity Theorem

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The discussion centers on the assumptions made in the Hawking-Penrose Singularity Theorem from 1970. Key assumptions include the validity of general relativity, the dominance of ordinary matter or radiation, and that the universe must be expanding. It is clarified that the theorem does not apply to a universe dominated by dark energy at all times, as dark energy violates energy conditions. Recent findings questioning the necessity of dark energy for the universe's acceleration could potentially make the theorem applicable, but inflation models also complicate this applicability. Overall, the conversation highlights the nuanced understanding of the theorem's assumptions and their relevance to current cosmological models.
  • #31
Cerenkov said:
With all due respect Peter, I did not make the term semiclassical up.
You did as far as mathematical theorems are concerned. None of your references use the term that way. They all use the term as a way of describing models that are used in physics, not mathematical theorems.
 
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PeterDonis said:
You did as far as mathematical theorems are concerned. None of your references use the term that way. They all use the term as a way of describing models that are used in physics, not mathematical theorems.

Now that you've clarified things I can what you mean.

But your statement, ' Nobody in the literature actually uses them' was insufficiently clear.

If you had written, 'Nobody in the literature actually uses them THE WAY YOU DO', that would have been clearer.

Had you done that then I would have simply accepted your expertise and then asked you what the proper way of using these terms was.


But I can now see that my one question about the BGV is the result of incorrect understanding on my part.

So I thank you for your help Peter and I have no further questions.


Cerenkov.
 
  • #33
Cerenkov said:
your statement, ' Nobody in the literature actually uses them' was insufficiently clear.

If you had written, 'Nobody in the literature actually uses them THE WAY YOU DO', that would have been clearer.
Here is what I said:

PeterDonis said:
"Purely classical" and "semi-classical" regarding theorems are just terms you made up. Nobody in the literature actually uses them.
Note the bolded text, which is crucial.
 
  • #34
Yes, that's not in dispute here, Peter. Thanks to your guidance I now see what I did.

The issue is how you corrected me.

Technically you are 100% correct. I did 'make up' things in the way you pointed out.

But that is not the be all and end all of the issue.

You are the tutor and I am the student - but we are both human beings and respect is a two-way street.

Therefore, respectfully, I submit that you telling me, albeit in a technically correct way, that I'm making things up, was perhaps not the best way of handling the point on a person-to-person level.

Can you at least meet me halfway on this?


Thank you,

Cerenkov.
 

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