Questions about the Density Operator Formulation of Quantum Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around the density operator formulation of quantum mechanics, specifically addressing the time evolution of the density operator, projection measurements, and the application of this formulation to systems like the infinite square well. Participants explore the mathematical framework and implications of using density operators compared to standard wave mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the density operator analog of the Schrödinger equation for time evolution.
  • Another participant provides the equation iħρ̇ = [H,ρ], indicating that ρ is the density operator.
  • There is a question regarding how to perform a projection measurement in the density operator framework, with a response suggesting to replace ρ with PρP, where P is the projection operator.
  • A participant asks if it is possible to solve for the density operator and measurement outcomes without using standard wave mechanics, expressing uncertainty about equations involving operators.
  • Another participant asserts that density operators can simplify calculations in certain cases, providing an example involving spin-1/2 systems and the Pauli spin matrices.
  • There is a discussion about converting density operators into state vectors and the relationship between density matrices and wave functions.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the notation for time derivatives, with participants confirming the meaning of the dot notation in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of standard wave mechanics when working with density operators, with some suggesting that density operators can simplify certain calculations while others remain uncertain about the implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of equations involving operators and the potential for different interpretations of the density operator formulation. There are references to specific mathematical constructs and their properties, but no consensus is reached on the broader implications of these discussions.

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so I've been reading about the density operator formulation of quantum mechanics and I have some questions

what is the density operator analog of the Schrödinger equation that determines the time evolution?

and how do you perform a projection measurement on a quantum system in the density operator formulation?

how would you use it to describe a system like the infinite square well?
 
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CPL.Luke said:
what is the density operator analog of the Schrödinger equation that determines the time evolution?

[itex]i\hbar\dot\rho=[H,\rho][/itex], where [itex]\rho[/itex] is the density operator.
CPL.Luke said:
how do you perform a projection measurement on a quantum system in the density operator formulation?

Replace [itex]\rho[/itex] with [itex]P\rho P[/itex]. where [itex]P[/itex] is the projection operator.
CPL.Luke said:
how would you use it to describe a system like the infinite square well?

You use the above formulae for time evolution and measurement.
 
is it possible to solve for the density operator and possible outcomes of a measurement without having to use the standard wave mechanics?

sorry I'm not very used to seeing an equation which appears to only contain operators.

also do you mean the partial derivative with respect to time when you write p dot?
 
CPL.Luke said:
is it possible to solve for the density operator and possible outcomes of a measurement without having to use the standard wave mechanics?

Yes. In some cases, density operators allow for simpler calculations. Example, find the state corresponding to spin-1/2 in the direction of the unit vector [tex]\vec{u} = (u_x,u_y,u_z)[/tex].

The operator for spin in that direction is [tex]\sigma_u = \vec{\sigma}\cdot u[/tex] where [tex]\vec{\sigma}[/tex] is the 3-vector of the Pauli spin matrices. This squares to 1 so an eigenstate for spin in the u direction is [tex]1+\sigma_u[/tex]. These are normalized so they are idempotent so the normalized state is [tex](1+\sigma_u)/2[/tex], which you can verify is idempotent.

Then to convert this into a state vector (wave function) solution to the eigenvector problem for spin in the u direction, simply taken any nonzero column vector in the matrix. Since there are two columns in the matrix, there are two choices. Ignoring the division by 2, and not bothering to normalize the vector, the two choices are:
[tex]\left(\begin{array}{c}1+u_z\\u_x+iu_y\end{array}\right), <br /> \left(\begin{array}{c}u_x-iu_y\\1-u_z\end{array}\right)[/tex]
For the Dirac case general solution, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_spinor
where they currently call the 4x4 matrix the "projection operator", another, more general, name for the density matrix quantum state.

By the way, the wave function analogy to "taking any nonzero column" is to choose any point where the density operator function is nonzero in the second entry. That is, if [tex]\rho(x,x')[/tex] is a density matrix solution to Schroedinger's equation, and b is a point where [tex]\rho(x,b)[/tex] is not identically zero over x, then [tex]\psi(x) = \rho(x,b)[/tex] is a solution to Schroedinger's equation.


CPL.Luke said:
also do you mean the partial derivative with respect to time when you write p dot?

Yes. Of course it's actually rho. To write LaTeX for this, enter the following, without the spaces: [ t e x ] \ d o t { \ r h o } [ / t e x].
 

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