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The discussion focuses on the properties of one-dimensional harmonic oscillators in quantum mechanics, specifically addressing the nature of energy levels, degeneracy, and the relationship between energy intervals and quantum states. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and technical explanations related to quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant questions why energy levels in a harmonic oscillator are equally spaced, contrasting this with the Bohr model of hydrogen where energy levels become closer at higher energies.
  • Another participant explains that the harmonic oscillator is a different model than the Bohr model, emphasizing that its energy levels are derived from solving the Schrödinger equation, resulting in equally spaced levels.
  • A participant clarifies that "dE" refers to a finite difference (∆E) rather than an infinitesimal differential, suggesting that the textbook's assertion about the number of states being proportional to dE holds true if many energy levels exist within that interval.
  • There is a discussion about degeneracy, with one participant noting that degenerate states are different quantum states with the same energy, and in the case of the harmonic oscillator, the states are defined by the principal quantum number n, leading to non-degenerate energy levels.
  • Another participant raises questions about the significance of the energy spacing (h(h-bar)w) and its implications for the proportionality of quantum states to dE.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of energy levels in harmonic oscillators versus the Bohr model, and there is no consensus on the implications of energy intervals and degeneracy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding some of the foundational concepts.

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Participants highlight the differences in potential energy functions between the hydrogen atom and the harmonic oscillator, which may affect their respective energy level structures. There are also unresolved questions about the interpretation of energy intervals and their measurement.

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In my textbook, it says "For a system of one-dimensional oscillators, the energy levels are equally spaced and non-degenerate, so the number of quantum states in an interval dE is proportional to dE so long as dE is much larger than the spacing h(h-bar)w between levels. In fact, we may conclude from this that g(E)dE must have the value dE/h(h-bar)w."

1. Why are the energy levels are equally spaced? According to the Bohr Model of hydrogen, as the energy level is getting higher, the distance between two levels are getting closer.

2. Why should it be non-degenerate? What's the difference between degenerate and non-degenerate energy levels?

3. Why is h(h-bar)w the spacing and as long as dE is much larger than it, the number of quantum states in an interval dE is proportional to dE? Also, dE is just the differential of energy, it should have no size and thus can't be measured to be compared with the spacing.

Can someone help to explain a bit on these?
 
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The harmonic oscillator models vibrational motion in a quantum mechanical system, where energy appears quantized and the wave nature of matter cannot be neglected. It is not a model of atomic structure like the Bohr model.

Degenerate states are different quantum states which lead to the same calculated value of total energy. The state of a harmonic oscillator is defined only by the principle number n, so there is no degeneracy.

Total energy is
[tex]E=(n+\frac{1}{2})\hbar \omega[/tex]
so the energy levels are linear. Any interval dE larger than [tex]\hbar \omega[/tex] must contain at least one allowed state.
 
Here dE means not an infinitesimal differential but a finite difference ∆E. If there are many energy levels within this difference, then the textbook is right.
 
ray.deng83 said:
1. Why are the energy levels are equally spaced? According to the Bohr Model of hydrogen, as the energy level is getting higher, the distance between two levels are getting closer.

The hydrogen atom and the harmonic oscillator have different potential energy functions, so they have different energy levels. In both cases you find the energy levels by solving the Schrödinger equation to find the states with definite energy. For the harmonic oscillator, the energies turn out to be equally spaced.
 

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