Questions on dark matter and dark energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around questions related to dark matter and dark energy, focusing on their properties, distribution, and observational methods. Participants explore theoretical aspects, observational implications, and the relationship between these two phenomena in the context of cosmology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the distribution of dark matter throughout the universe, questioning whether it clumps around all galaxies or can exist independently in the vacuum.
  • Another participant suggests that dark matter and normal matter attract each other, leading to the formation of galaxies in regions of high dark matter density, but acknowledges the complexity introduced by star formation.
  • There is a discussion on whether dark matter moves with normal matter, with some suggesting that while dark matter generally moves with normal matter, it does not experience friction like normal matter does.
  • Questions arise regarding the uniformity of dark matter across the universe, with one participant stating there is no evidence for differences in its makeup.
  • Participants discuss methods of observing dark energy beyond the acceleration of the universe's expansion, mentioning effects on galaxy cluster formation and the Integrated Sachs-Wolfe effect.
  • One participant poses a question about the relationship between redshift and radial distance, particularly whether nearby objects exhibit different redshift characteristics compared to very distant ones.
  • Another participant responds that average redshift increases with distance, noting that the rate of expansion is not constant and varies over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature and behavior of dark matter and dark energy. There is no consensus on several questions, particularly concerning the distribution of dark matter and the implications of redshift in relation to distance.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about the behavior of dark matter and its interaction with normal matter, while discussions about observational methods for dark energy highlight the complexity of measuring its effects. The relationship between redshift and distance is noted to depend on the rate of expansion, which is not straightforward.

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I have been researching online, but there are many things I am still unsure of because its hard to find the answers to specific questions.

1.) I know how scientists observe dark matter. They can view its gravitational effects. I want to know exactly how it is distributed throughout the universe though. I've heard that it clumps together on the edges of galaxies, but is this true for all galaxies? Can clumps of dark matter be seen out in the vacuum with no proximity to normal matter at all, or are they always attached to "normal" matter?

2.) Does dark matter move with "normal" matter or does it generally stay stationary at one point in the vacuum?

3.) Does it appear to be the same kind of dark matter throughout the entire universe, or do some clumps of the same size appear to have larger gravitational effects than others?

4.) How do scientists observe the effects of dark energy other than seeing that the expansion of the universe is accelerating?
 
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Dark matter and dark energy are related by name only, they are distinctively different. We infer the existence of dark matter by its gravitational effects. We have no idea about the properties of DM particles. It does, however, appear to be 'cold' - i.e., generally not moving at relativistic speeds. The existence of DE is inferred strictly from its effect on expansion of the universe.
 
Phantom13 said:
I have been researching online, but there are many things I am still unsure of because its hard to find the answers to specific questions.

1.) I know how scientists observe dark matter. They can view its gravitational effects. I want to know exactly how it is distributed throughout the universe though. I've heard that it clumps together on the edges of galaxies, but is this true for all galaxies? Can clumps of dark matter be seen out in the vacuum with no proximity to normal matter at all, or are they always attached to "normal" matter?
In the early universe, normal matter and dark matter tended to attract one another, so that an overabundance of dark matter generally also coincides with an overabundance of normal matter.

The normal matter, however, experiences friction, and so collapses much more than the dark matter, which experiences no friction. So it's not so much that dark matter collects around the edges of galaxies, but that galaxies form in the centers of large blobs of dark matter.

Now, it isn't quite as simple as this, because when stars start to form, things tend to get violent, and a low-mass overdensity will blow out most of the matter shortly after the first stars form, leaving a galaxy with almost nothing but dark matter.

Phantom13 said:
2.) Does dark matter move with "normal" matter or does it generally stay stationary at one point in the vacuum?
Yes, dark matter moves with normal matter. Most of the time. As above: normal matter experiences friction, dark matter does not. Gas clouds tend to collide, while dark matter will pass right through a collision. See this blog post for a neat description:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2006/08/21/dark-matter-exists/

Phantom13 said:
3.) Does it appear to be the same kind of dark matter throughout the entire universe, or do some clumps of the same size appear to have larger gravitational effects than others?
There's no evidence of any difference in the makeup of dark matter, and there's no good reason why we would ever expect this.

Phantom13 said:
4.) How do scientists observe the effects of dark energy other than seeing that the expansion of the universe is accelerating?
A smaller but still noticeable effect is on the rate of formation of galaxy clusters. Dark energy tends to make such clusters form more slowly. This effect can be seen in the CMB with what is known as the Integrated Sachs-Wolfe effect, and there are also other studies directly measuring the formation of structure in the universe (such as weak lensing surveys) that are investigating this.
 
My big question is whether or not there is a significant (statistically averaged)derivative in redshift with respect to radial distance(δz/δr where z is the redshift). In particular if nearer intergalactic objects(ok, galaxies included :p) have greater or lesser redshift than very distant objects. And by very distant I mean a radial distance r≥ 1,000,000,000 light years.
 
Zelyucha said:
My big question is whether or not there is a significant (statistically averaged)derivative in redshift with respect to radial distance(δz/δr where z is the redshift). In particular if nearer intergalactic objects(ok, galaxies included :p) have greater or lesser redshift than very distant objects. And by very distant I mean a radial distance r≥ 1,000,000,000 light years.
Average redshift increases monotonically with distance. Precisely how it increases with distance depends upon the rate of expansion over time, which is not constant, and not terribly simple at longer distances.
 

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