Quick Braket notation question

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation and calculation of the Braket notation, specifically focusing on the expectation value represented by \langle J_z \rangle. Participants explore its definition and implications within quantum mechanics, with a particular emphasis on its dependence on the quantum state.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the meaning of \langle J_z \rangle, questioning if it represents the "magnitude" of J_z.
  • Another participant clarifies that \langle J_z \rangle is the expectation value, describing it as the average result of measurements of J_z on identically prepared systems, and provides a formula for calculating expectation values.
  • A third participant reiterates that \langle J_z \rangle is indeed the expectation value and emphasizes the necessity of knowing the quantum state \vert\psi\rangle to evaluate it.
  • A later reply confirms the understanding of expectation values and attempts to relate it to the integral form, questioning the limits of integration.

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Participants generally agree on the interpretation of \langle J_z \rangle as an expectation value, but there is some uncertainty regarding the specifics of its calculation and the necessary conditions for evaluation.

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The discussion highlights the dependence of expectation values on the quantum state, but does not resolve the specifics of the integral limits or the conditions under which the definitions apply.

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I'm a complete noob with Braket and I've only just started getting to grips with it.

For completeness' sake though (from the book I'm currently reading), I can't seem to find a definition for:

[itex]\langle J_z \rangle[/itex]

Would this just be the "magnitude" of [itex]J_z[/itex]?

Thanks
 
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It's an expectation value, i.e. the average result in a (long) series of measurements of Jz on identically prepared systems.
Fredrik said:
...the average result in a series of measurements of A on identically prepared systems is

[tex]\langle A\rangle=\sum_a P(a)a=\sum_a a|\langle a|\psi\rangle|^2=\sum_a\langle a|\psi\rangle\langle\psi|A|a\rangle=\mbox{Tr}(\rho A)[/tex] ...and also [tex]=\langle\psi|\Big(\sum_a|a\rangle\langle a|\Big)A|\psi\rangle=\langle\psi|A|\psi\rangle[/tex]
Note that it depends on what state the system is in.

This post should be useful if you're learning bra-ket notation.
 
Actually it's the expectation value of [itex]J_z[/itex] - that is,
[tex]\langle J_z \rangle = \langle \psi \vert J_z \vert \psi \rangle[/tex]
In order to actually evaluate that expression, you would have to have some quantum state [itex]\vert\psi\rangle[/itex], since the expectation value of any operator depends on the quantum state.
 
Ah crud, I completely forgot that's how you write Expectation value.

so, just to confirm I have a grip on this,

[itex]\langle x \rangle = \langle \psi \vert {x} \vert \psi \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \psi^* x \psi dx[/itex]

Is that right? Assuming the limits are from infinity to minus infinity.

Thanks
 

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