R^2 and R^2 - {(0,0)} are not homeomorphic

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether the spaces R^2 and R^2 - {(0,0)} are homeomorphic, exploring topological properties that differentiate them. Participants also consider a related problem involving the union of the x and y axes and its homeomorphism with the real line.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that simply connectedness could be a distinguishing property, noting that the fundamental group of R^2 is trivial, while that of R^2 - {(0,0)} is Z.
  • One participant mentions that removing a point from R results in two connected components, whereas removing a point from the union of the x and y axes leads to four connected components.
  • Another participant offers to provide either a classic algebraic topology proof or a more elementary approach to the homeomorphism question.
  • A participant proposes a proof involving the behavior of Cauchy sequences and their limits, suggesting that a homeomorphism would lead to contradictions regarding the mapping of neighborhoods.
  • For the second problem, a more complicated proof is suggested, focusing on the continuity and mapping of the x and y axes under a presumed homeomorphism.
  • A humorous anecdote is shared regarding a senior thesis presentation, illustrating the concept of holes in a topological sense.

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Participants express differing views on the proofs and properties that could demonstrate the non-homeomorphism of the discussed spaces. No consensus is reached on a single approach or proof method.

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Participants reference various topological properties and proofs without resolving the mathematical intricacies or assumptions involved in their arguments.

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Let R denote the real line and R^2 the real plane.

How do I show that R^2 and R^2 - {(0,0)} are not homeomorphic? I don't even know where to start since I cannot think of a topological property that is in one but not in the other. Can anyone give me a clue on what that property is?

A similar problem is this:
Consider S = the union of the x and y- axes together with the subspace topology inherited from R^2. Show that S and R are not homeomorphic.

Thanks in advance!
 
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poet_3000 said:
Let R denote the real line and R^2 the real plane.

How do I show that R^2 and R^2 - {(0,0)} are not homeomorphic? I don't even know where to start since I cannot think of a topological property that is in one but not in the other. Can anyone give me a clue on what that property is?

Simply connectedness. Or equivalent: calculate the fundamental group of the two spaces. Of R^2 the group is trivial, but of R^2\{(0,0)} the group is Z.

A similar problem is this:
Consider S = the union of the x and y- axes together with the subspace topology inherited from R^2. Show that S and R are not homeomorphic.

Thanks in advance!

In S, there exists a point such that if you remove the point, then there are 4 connected components. But there is no such point in R: any point that you remove in R will yield 2 connected components.
 
poet_3000 said:
Let R denote the real line and R^2 the real plane.

How do I show that R^2 and R^2 - {(0,0)} are not homeomorphic? I don't even know where to start since I cannot think of a topological property that is in one but not in the other. Can anyone give me a clue on what that property is?

A similar problem is this:
Consider S = the union of the x and y- axes together with the subspace topology inherited from R^2. Show that S and R are not homeomorphic.

Thanks in advance!

for the first one there are classic algebraic topology proofs. Do you want one of these or would you like something more elementary?
 
Oh. Thank you for your replies! It really helped me. Thank you micromass and lavinia.

lavinia, may I know your other suggestion?
 
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poet_3000 said:
Oh. Thank you for your replies! It really helped me. Thank you micromass and lavinia.

lavinia, may I know your other suggestion?

I never tried a simpler proof but let's give it a try.

If there were a homeomorphism from R^-0 to R^2, a Cauchy sequence that converges to the origin must be mapped to infinity. This means that the punctured disc around the origin must be mapped to a neighborhood of infinity that is bounded by a simple closed curve.

But then the neighborhood of infinity must be mapped into the inside this simple closed curve. A sequence that diverges to infinity would be mapped to a bounded sequence which must have a limit point. that is impossible.This generalizes to higher dimensions.

It might be fun to think up some others.
 
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For the second problem, here is a more complicated proof.

If there is a homeomorphism from the union of the x and y axes then consider the image of the x axis. This is homeomorphic to R so the image of the origin is surrounded by an open interval. That does it because now the image of the y-axis can not penetrate this interval (which it must by continuity) because the map is 1-1.
 
the way i said it for my senior thesis (i am not joking) is:

ok we have da loop, and we have da group. we loop de loop and group da loop, to da loop group.

but onoz! we have hole. so sorry, no homeomorphism for j00...

(and then i popped a balloon with a pin, and said: see?)
 
Deveno said:
the way i said it for my senior thesis (i am not joking) is:

ok we have da loop, and we have da group. we loop de loop and group da loop, to da loop group.

but onoz! we have hole. so sorry, no homeomorphism for j00...

(and then i popped a balloon with a pin, and said: see?)

that is entertaining deveno! LOL! :p
 

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