Rape by Deception in Israel: Sabbar Kashur's Story

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An Arab man, Sabbar Kashur, was convicted in Israel of "rape by deception" after having consensual sex with a Jewish woman who later discovered he was not Jewish. The case has sparked significant debate, with many finding the verdict to be racially motivated and absurd. Critics argue that labeling the act as rape trivializes actual sexual assault and raises concerns about the implications for consensual relationships. Comparisons were drawn to similar cases in the West, where "rape by fraud" laws exist, but the consensus is that such laws should not apply to situations like Kashur's. The discussion also highlighted broader issues regarding the treatment of women in the Middle East, including honor killings and societal violence, suggesting that while the Israeli legal system may be flawed, it is still preferable to the conditions faced by women in some neighboring regions. The conversation reflects a complex interplay of cultural norms, legal definitions, and the societal implications of such verdicts, questioning the fairness and rationale behind the conviction.
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Pattonias said:
Isn't that kind of what human rights are? If there was no political/social structure there would be no way of defining and then enforcing "human rights".

There are those, particularly politicians and rights activists, that would argue that "human rights" are universal.
 
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TheStatutoryApe said:
There are those, particularly politicians and rights activists, that would argue that "human rights" are universal.

Unfortunatly, those rights are only extended to those with a means of enforcing their defence.
 
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Pattonias said:
Isn't that kind of what human rights are? If there was no political/social structure there would be no way of defining and then enforcing "human rights".

My point exactly. In the absence of a sociopolitical structure which defines and enforces them, such do not exist.
Stats, you are pointing out the same thing. Those who argue that human rights are universal are members of a structure that seeks to impose their opinions. Ideally, that assertion comes from a sense of outrage that is felt when someone is abused; more typically, it arises as part of a political agenda intended to extend the power of those who are protesting the inequity.
Our ancestors didn't become the dominant species on the planet by being nice. They arose by killing anything that was perceived as either a threat or a food source. "Human rights" began as, and continue to be, a bribe by those in power. It's an extrapolation of the old feudal system. You serve me and provide me with sustenance, and I will field an army (to which you might be called to serve) in aid of your protection. Strength in numbers. The more people there are in a group, the stronger it is. Hence nations and armies. Those enforce (or try to) whatever "rights" they consider appropriate for their citizens.
"Human rights" are strictly a construct that a nation grants in return for the loyalty of its subjects.
 

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