Ratio of Intensities of 2 sounds

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the ratio of intensities of two sounds, specifically a jet engine and a normal conversation, using the decibel scale of loudness. The problem involves understanding the relationship between sound intensity and decibels, as defined by the equation L = 10 log(I/I0).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the correct application of the decibel formula, questioning whether decibel levels or intensities should be used in the logarithmic function. There is an attempt to clarify the relationship between the given decibel levels and the corresponding intensities.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on the correct interpretation of the logarithmic relationship. There is a recognition of confusion regarding the application of the formula, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach yet.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the definitions and relationships in the context of sound intensity and decibels, indicating that there may be assumptions or misunderstandings about how to manipulate the given values.

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Homework Statement


The decibel scale of loudness is L = 10 log##\frac{I}{Io}## where I, measured in watts per square meter, is the intensity of the sound and Io= ##10^-12## watt/m 2 is the softest audible sound at 1000 hertz. Classical music typically ranges from 30 to 100 decibels. The human ear's pain threshold is about 120 decibels.

Suppose that a jet engine at 50 meters has a decibel level of 130, and a normal conversation at 1 meter has a decibel level of 60. What is the ratio of the intensities of the two sounds?

Homework Equations


L = 10 log ##\frac{I}{Io}## where Io is ##10^{-12}## and I is the intensity of the sound in square meters.

The Attempt at a Solution


Let I1 be intensity of jet engine and I2 intensity of converstaion.

log##\frac{I1}{Io}##/ ##\frac{I2}{Io}## = log##\frac{I1}{Io}## - log##\frac{I2}{Io}##

= log##\frac{130}{10^-12}## - log##\frac{60}{10^-12}##

I thought this would give correct answer however it did not. The correct answer is 13 - 6 = 7, s0 ##\frac{I1}{I2} =## ##10^7##

I then tried plugging in numbers in various ways but cannot get the correct answer. ANy idea what I have done wrong?
 
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From the definition, (ratios of) intensities should be "fed" to the log function, and decibels are what comes out. In your equations, the log function seems to be "fed" with the decibels...
 
Sorry I don't quite follow?
 
On the last line, there are 130 and 60 decibels under the log function... Instead, according to definition, log function should be applied to intensities, and decibels produced as a result...
 
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Suppose that a jet engine at 50 meters has a decibel level of 130...

Equation ##L = \log(I/I_0)## relates ##I## in W/m##^2## to ##L## in dB. You're given a number in dB. So which variable in that equation are you being given?
 
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Thanks for replies. I'll give it another go tonight.
 

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