Ratio of projectile to ejecta mass, shoot the moon.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the mass of a projectile impacting the moon and the resulting mass of ejecta. Participants explore whether a simple formula exists that relates these two quantities, considering different impact scenarios such as hitting dust or rock.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about a formula for the mass of ejecta as a function of the projectile's mass, questioning if it varies based on the type of lunar surface material impacted.
  • Another participant shares links to a crater database and scaling tools that may provide relevant data and mathematical background.
  • A later reply expresses appreciation for the shared resources and discusses results obtained from a calculator, noting a proportional relationship between the mass of the projectile and the volume of ejecta for certain sizes.
  • The same participant suggests that the relationship might illustrate scale invariance, proposing that a single representation could apply across a range of projectile masses and ejecta volumes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

No consensus is reached regarding the existence of a simple formula or the implications of scale invariance, as participants present differing views and interpretations of the data.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential inaccuracies in the calculator mentioned and the need for clarification on the conditions under which the proposed relationships hold true.

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Say we shoot the surface of the moon with various sized steel balls of size a cm and larger, say up to a km in size. Say the balls hit the surface of the moon moving at 20,000 mph. Is there a simple formula for the mass of the ejecta as a function of the mass of the projectile? Will the formula depend on whether the projectile hits dust or rock or a combination of the two?

Thanks for any help!
 
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Wow, nice find!
 
Used the above calculator, seemed buggy for multiple calculations, and got the following result. For a steel projectile striking the moon at 10,000 mph perpendicularly, the mass of the projectile, M, was roughly proportional to the volume, V, of ejecta for sizes from 1 cm to 10 m,

M ≈ V

above that size

M^α ≈ V

Where α is less then 1.

Is the above an example of scale invariance? If I draw a picture of the projectile next to the volume of ejecta I can change the scale but not have to redraw the picture, one picture works for a range of projectile masses and ejecta volume?
 

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