Rational: $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$ is Square

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The discussion centers around the mathematical assertion that for rational numbers \(p\), \(q\), and \(r\) satisfying the condition \(pq + qr + rp = 1\), the expression \((p^2 + 1)(q^2 + 1)(r^2 + 1)\) is the square of a rational number. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of different solutions to the problem.

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  • Post 1 presents the initial problem statement, asking to show that \((p^2 + 1)(q^2 + 1)(r^2 + 1)\) is a square of a rational number under the given condition.
  • Post 2 and Post 3 inquire about the rationality of \(p\), \(q\), and \(r\), confirming that they are indeed rational numbers.
  • Post 5 provides a detailed solution involving polynomial equations and transformations, ultimately showing that the product \((p^2 + 1)(q^2 + 1)(r^2 + 1)\) equals \((\lambda - \nu)^2\), suggesting it is a square of a rational number.
  • Post 6 acknowledges the previous solutions and introduces another, more complex approach without detailing its content.

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Participants generally agree on the rationality of \(p\), \(q\), and \(r\). Multiple solutions are presented, but there is no consensus on which solution is the most elegant or correct, as participants offer differing approaches.

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Show that for $p,q,r$ if $pq+qr+rp=1$ then $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$ is square of rational number
 
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Are $p,\, q$ and $r$ rational numbers?
 
Euge said:
Are $p,\, q$ and $r$ rational numbers?

Thanks for pinpointing. They are rational.
 
Ok then, here's my solution.

We have

$\displaystyle (p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$

$\displaystyle = (pqr)^2 + [(pq)^2 + (qr)^2 + (rp)^2] + (p^2 + q^2 + r^2) + 1$

$\displaystyle = (pqr)^2 + [(pq+qr+rp)^2-2(pqr)(p+q+r)] + [(p+q+r)^2-2(pq+qr+rp)] + 1$

$\displaystyle = (pqr)^2 + [1 - 2(pqr)(p+q+r)] + [(p+q+r)^2-2] + 1$

$\displaystyle = (pqr)^2 - 2(pqr)(p+q+r) + (p+q+r)^2$

$\displaystyle = (pqr - p - q - r)^2$.

Since $p,\, q$ and $r$ are rational, so is $pqr - p - q - r$. Thus we have shown that $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1)$ is the square of the rational number $pqr-p-q-r$.
 
Another solution:
[sp]Let $x^3 - \lambda x^2 + x - \nu = 0$ be the equation with roots $p,q,r$ (so that $\lambda = p+q+r$ and $\nu = pqr$, the coefficient of $x$ being $qr+rp+pq = 1$).

The equation with roots $p^2,q^2,r^2$ is $x^{3/2} - \lambda x + x^{1 /2} - \nu = 0$, or $x^{1 /2}(x+1) = \lambda x + \nu$, or $x(x+1)^2 = \lambda^2x^2 + 2\lambda\nu x + \nu^2$.

The equation with roots $p^2+1, q^2+1, r^2+1$ is obtained by substituting $x-1$ for $x$ in that last equation, getting $(x-1)x^2 = \lambda^2(x-1)^2 + 2\lambda\nu (x-1) + \nu^2$, or $x^3 - (1+\lambda^2)x^2 + 2\lambda(\lambda-\nu)x - (\lambda^2 - 2\lambda\nu + \nu^2) = 0$. The product of the roots of that equation is $(p^2+1)(q^2+1)(r^2+1) = \lambda^2 - 2\lambda\nu + \nu^2 = (\lambda - \nu)^2$, which is the square of the rational number $\lambda - \nu$.[/sp]
 
2 excellent solutions above. Here is mine and definitely more complex and hence not elegant

$pq+qr+rp = 1$

so $p = \dfrac{1-qr}{q+r}$
Here I may mention that if $q+r = 0$ the we can permute $p,q,r$ such that q+r is not zero

if we chose $q =\ tan\, A$ and $r =\ tan\ B$
we get

$\frac{1}{p} =\dfrac{q+r}{1-qr} =\dfrac {(\tan\ A +\ tan\ B}{(1- \tan\ A\ tan\ B}=\ tan (A+B)$

or $p = \cot (A+B)$

we can chose q and r to be <1 in case we want positive else even -ve also
$(p^2+1) (q^2+1)(r^2+ 1)$
= $\sec^2 A\ \sec ^2 B\ \csc^2 (A+B)$
= $\dfrac{(\sec^2 A\ \ sec^2 B}{\sin^2 (A+B)}$
this is square of reciprocal of $\ sin (A+B)\ cos\ A\ \cos\ B$
$\sin (A+B) \cos\ A\ \cos B$
=$( \sin\ A\ \cos B + \cos\ A\ \sin B)cos\ A\ \ cos\ B$
=$ \sin\ A\ \cos \ A\ \cos ^2B +\ cos^2 A \ \sin B\ \ cos B$
=$\tan\ A\ \ cos ^2 A\ \ cos ^2 B +\ tan\ B \ \
cos ^2 A\ \ cos ^2 B$
= ${(\tan\ A + \tan\ B)}{/(\sec^2 A\ \sec ^2B)}$
= $\dfrac{tan\ A + tan\ B}{(1+ tan ^2 A)(1+ tan ^2B)}$

so $(p^2+1) (q^2+1)(r^2+ 1)$
= $\dfrac{((1+ \tan ^2 A )(1+\tan ^2B)}{(\tan \ A +\ tan B))^2}$

if $ \tan \ A$ and $tan\ B$ that is q and r are rational then

$\dfrac{(1+ \tan ^2 A)(1+\tan ^2B)}{(\tan\ A +\tan\ B)}$ is rational and so $(p^2 +1)(q^2+1)(r^2 +1)$ is the square of a rational no.
 

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