Rationalize the denominator: ##\sqrt{\dfrac{1}{2x^3y^5}}##

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The discussion revolves around rationalizing the denominator of the expression ##\sqrt{\dfrac{1}{2x^3y^5}}##. Participants are exploring the implications of absolute values in the context of square roots and the assumptions regarding the variables involved.

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  • Participants are attempting to rationalize the denominator and are questioning the treatment of absolute values in the context of the square root. There is discussion about whether the variables x and y are assumed to be nonnegative and how this affects the final expression.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions regarding the signs of x and y, with some participants expressing confusion about why the original expression is considered always positive. Guidance has been offered regarding the definition of the square root and its implications for the variables involved.

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Participants are considering the possibility that x and y could be negative, which raises questions about the validity of certain simplifications and the positivity of the original expression.

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Rationalize the denominator: ##\sqrt{\dfrac{1}{2x^3y^5}}##
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##\sqrt{\dfrac{1}{2x^3y^5}}=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2\cdot x^2 \cdot x \cdot y^2 \cdot y^2 \cdot y}}=\dfrac{1}{|x|\cdot |y|\cdot |y| \cdot \sqrt{2xy}}=\dfrac{1}{|x|y^2\sqrt{2xy}}##

##\Rightarrow \dfrac{1}{|x|y^2\sqrt{2xy}} \cdot \dfrac{\sqrt{2xy}}{\sqrt{2xy}}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2xy}}{|x|y^2 \cdot 2xy}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2xy}}{2|x|xy^3}##

But the solution is given as ##\sqrt{\dfrac{1}{2x^3y^5}}=\dfrac{1}{xy^2\sqrt{2xy}}\cdot \dfrac{\sqrt{2xy}}{\sqrt{2xy}}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2xy}}{2x^2y^3}## without any consideration for the absolute value. But the definition is ##\sqrt{x^2}=|x|##, so I'm not understanding why the book solution ignores this.
 
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The original expression is positive, so there is no way to end up with negative values. If so, then it should be ##|y^3|##.
 
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RChristenk said:
I'm not understanding why the book solution ignores this.
Are there assumptions in the problem that you don't show? IOW, are the variables x and y assumed to be nonnegative?
 
Mark44 said:
Are there assumptions in the problem that you don't show? IOW, are the variables x and y assumed to be nonnegative?
Nope. But if ##x,y## can be negative, would this be correct: ##\dfrac{1}{|x||y^2|\sqrt{2xy}}\cdot \dfrac{\sqrt{2xy}}{\sqrt{2xy}}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2xy}}{2x|x||y^2|y}##.

Is there a way to simplify ##2x|x||y^2|y##?
 
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RChristenk said:
Nope. But if ##x,y## can be negative, would this be correct: ##\dfrac{1}{|x||y^2|\sqrt{2xy}}\cdot \dfrac{\sqrt{2xy}}{\sqrt{2xy}}=\dfrac{\sqrt{2xy}}{2x|x||y^2|y}##.
No, because your final answer would be negative if exactly one of x or y were negative. The original fraction is always positive.
RChristenk said:
Is there a way to simplify ##2x|x||y^2|y##?
That denominator should be ##2 x^2 |y^3|##, which is always positive.
 
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FactChecker said:
No, because your final answer would be negative if exactly one of x or y were negative. The original fraction is always positive.

That denominator should be ##2 x^2 |y^3|##, which is always positive.
Why is the original fraction always positive? I'm confused because by definition ##\sqrt{x^2}=|x|##. So ##x## itself could be a negative number.

Hence in ##\sqrt{\dfrac{1}{2x^3y^5}}##, ##x,y## could be negative and since it's to the third and fifth power respectively, stay negative. Thanks.
 
RChristenk said:
Why is the original fraction always positive? I'm confused because by definition ##\sqrt{x^2}=|x|##. So ##x## itself could be a negative number.

Hence in ##\sqrt{\dfrac{1}{2x^3y^5}}##, ##x,y## could be negative and since it's to the third and fifth power respectively, stay negative. Thanks.
I'm sorry. I misstated. ##\sqrt {\frac {1}{2x^3y^5}}## should always be positive, when it is defined. (I am assuming that your class does not deal with complex roots of negative numbers.) That is how the ##\sqrt {\ \ \ }## symbol is defined.
 
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