Re: Building a hydrodynamics water tunnel for surface water wheel testing.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the design and construction of a hydrodynamics water tunnel for testing a partially submerged water wheel or paddle wheel. Participants explore methods to achieve smooth water flow that simulates river conditions, particularly focusing on the challenges posed by turbulence and the need for an open system that accommodates both air and water surfaces.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a long open-topped gutter with water pumped in from one side, but reports issues with turbulence reflecting back due to the drain port.
  • Another participant proposes the idea of an accumulator tank filled from the bottom to help isolate turbulence.
  • A different participant agrees with the accumulator concept and recommends removing the drain port to allow free drainage into a storage container to mitigate turbulent backflow.
  • One participant mentions a shift to a bottom-mounted design for deployment in a tidal basin, indicating that their project will involve qualified engineers for proper testing of tidal hydro kinetic turbine generators.
  • Another participant shares their own plans for a free-surface water tunnel, mentioning the use of flow straighteners and a contracting nozzle to reduce turbulence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and suggestions for achieving smooth flow, but there is no consensus on a single solution. Multiple competing views and approaches remain, particularly regarding the design of the water tunnel and methods to reduce turbulence.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of their current setups and the need for larger pumps and specific design features to achieve desired flow conditions. There are unresolved aspects regarding the effectiveness of proposed solutions and the specific requirements of the testing environment.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in hydrodynamics, water tunnel design, experimental fluid dynamics, and those working on similar projects involving water flow simulation may find this discussion relevant.

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I need to simulate the flow of a river, to do small scale hydrodynamics testing on a partially submerged water wheel / paddle wheel design. The typical water tunnel setup will not work, because we are interested in the flow near the surface. The water wheel is half in the water, and half out. Anyone have any suggestions? I have been trying to use a long open topped gutter and pump the water in one side, and out a drain on the other. But, I get turbulence reflecting backwards because the water is bouncing back before exiting out of the drain port.

How can I get a smooth flow / current, like a river with both air space and a water surface, without using a closed system that is based on water pressure? In my current open topped gutter setup; should I be using an open end hose pushing the water in the proper direction, or should I use a diffused filter? Or will both get reverberation flow regardless? Thanks so much in advance. Appreciate the advice.
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This is just an Idea, (As I don't do any hydrodynamics.) but if you had an accumulator tank that the pump filled from the bottom, and the gutter flowed off the smother top.
This might isolate some of the turbulence.
 
I think you need a combination of the Accumulator filled from the bottom as johnbbahm mentioned to get a smooth flow down the channel/gutter, and remove the drain port such that the channel/gutter drains freely into another storage container to eliminate that turbulent backflow condition.

Rinse and repeat.
 

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Thanks guys, and I think that would probably work. The combination of the two ideas. But, we would have needed a much larger pump with an open ended channel.

However, we actually went with a bottom mounted design now because we are deploying in a tidal basin and our generator units will be under tremendous forces. Shortly, we will receive our financing and many qualified engineers will conduct proper testing on our tidal hydro kinetic turbine generators. Thanks again for the efforts! Much appreciated.

- BaNe
 
BaNeTEK,

Very interesting, since I am also developing a free-surface water tunnel aka a channel. My plans are similar to the drawing of Mushinskull, but I will use a horizontal channel. To reduce turbulence, all tunnels have a flow straightener (honeycomb) in a large inlet section, then a contracting nozzle and then the test section.

So, how is your channel doing? Can you tell me some more about it (flow speed, size of the test section,...)? And where do you work?
 

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