Reaching Other Stars, Colonizing Planets

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of reaching other stars and colonizing Earth-like planets, as inspired by a speech from Stephen Hawking. Participants explore the physics and engineering challenges associated with interstellar travel and the implications for humanity's future.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Stephen Hawking's advocacy for interstellar travel as a means to preserve humanity, questioning the practicalities of achieving this goal.
  • One participant suggests that if a rocketship could accelerate to .999c, length contraction would allow travel to distant stars within a human lifetime, indicating that current physics supports this possibility.
  • Concerns are raised about the survival of humanity during technological development, with one participant expressing hope that society can navigate this "technological adolescence."
  • Another participant questions the navigation challenges of interstellar travel, emphasizing the complexity of determining directions to distant stars.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of length contraction, with one participant noting that while it benefits those aboard the spacecraft, the time dilation effects complicate synchronization with events on Earth.
  • One participant argues that the future survival of humanity will depend on colonizing other stars, countering the notion that such endeavors would only benefit those on the spacecraft.
  • Another participant clarifies that Hawking's focus was on Earth-like planets, rather than any planet with harsh conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the feasibility and implications of interstellar travel. While some support the idea that current physics allows for such travel, others raise concerns about the engineering challenges and the broader implications for humanity.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in current engineering capabilities and the need for self-sufficiency on other planets, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Here's an article on a speech by Stephen Hawking:

http://www.brooksbulletin.com/news/world_news.asp?itemid=59084

So even a physicist like Hawking -- who's not going to niavely believe in arbitrary comicbook fantasies about warp drive, hyperspace, etc -- is advocating that we go to the stars to save and preserve humanity.

But it's one thing to see a need for it and say it -- but it's quite another thing to figure out how to accomplish it.

So what physics will get us to distant stars and colonize earth-like planets?

Out of the candidates, which is the most promising scientific/technological direction to go in, for the pursuit of this dream?
 
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If mankind could build a rocketship capable of traveling accelerating to .999c in a reasonable amount of time, inhabitants of the ship could travel from Earth to one of many distant stars within a fraction their lifetime.

I is due to length contraction predicted by special relativity.

Thus, abandoning Earth to travel to the distant stars requires progress in engineering, but not in physics. Our current physics allows this sort of travel under the constraint of limited human lifetimes.
 
I only hope we can survive technological adolescence to be able to accomplish these engineering wonders.
 
even if we know how to build these super-speedy spaceship; I wonder how we can find out which way to go...
 
But I wonder, taking into account length contraction. How beneficial would this be? Exploring systems light years away would only benefit the people aboard the space craft. The time lapse on Earth would be too great...it just seems complicated to sync all this.
 
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would only benefit the people aboard the space craft.

That's like saying polluting only disadvantages our grandchildren. The future survival of humanity will inevitably depend on our colonisations around other stars.

Regards technology, I think we're already capable of getting there (via project orion at least), but I don't know if we're capable of being self-sufficient on another planet yet.
 
Well, I think that Hawking was specifically talking about planets that are Earth-like, and not just going to any old planet with crummy conditions like Venus, Pluto, etc.
 

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