Reaction with AgNO3-What happened?

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The discussion revolves around the unexpected color change observed in microbiology plates containing varying concentrations of Silver Nitrate (AgNO3) after autoclaving. Participants explore potential chemical reactions, growth patterns of bacteria, and the implications of using silver nitrate in media preparation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a strong red color appeared in the plate with high silver concentration, suggesting a possible reaction involving silver.
  • Another participant proposes that the red compound could originate from nitrate decomposition products and questions whether diazotization conditions were created in the agar.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of autoclaving media containing silver nitrate, with suggestions that some additives should be added post-autoclaving.
  • A participant reflects on their expectations of bacterial growth patterns in relation to silver concentration, referencing historical experiments with silver coins.
  • Discussion includes the possibility of contamination with nitrite affecting the results, as nitrite can lead to the formation of nitrous acid, which is relevant for diazo compound production.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of autoclaving silver nitrate media and the implications of potential contamination. There is no consensus on the exact nature of the observed color change or the reactions involved.

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Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the reactions and the role of contaminants in silver nitrate. There is uncertainty regarding the specific conditions that may have influenced the experimental outcomes.

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I work in a microbiology lab. I was making up some plates for growing bacteria. The only difference in plates was that they contained varying concentrations of Silver Nitrate. The media (ie. bacteria food) contained baby formula, milk powder, yeast extract and agar, a polysaccharide made from seaweed.

After autoclaving (exposing to 112 C degree heat with high pressure) the different media, one of the plates turned a strong shade of red, maybe with a hint of orange. Only the plate with a relatively high concentration of silver turned red, so I assume the silver had something do with it. It's possible the reaction precipitated some of the silver, because I noticed more growth than I expected on some plates. But results were inconclusive.

Can anybody guess what the reaction was? I'm mainly just curious.
 
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It might have produced a red compound from the nitrate side of the compound. What color are some of the decomposition products of nitrate? Could the AgNO3 have produced diazotization conditions in the agars? Reaction of the intermediate diazo compounds with tyrosine or histidine forms red/orange and red/yellow compounds.

In your tests with the silver, did you approximate silver concentrations which would stimulate growth and well as inhibit it? It could be a different version of Lohner's experiments with silver coins that you see.
 
Are you sure you need to sterilize your media containing silver nitrate by autoclaving.

It is often recommended for certain media additive to be added after autoclaving. The supplementation would have to be filter sterilized.
 
chemisttree said:
It might have produced a red compound from the nitrate side of the compound. What color are some of the decomposition products of nitrate? Could the AgNO3 have produced diazotization conditions in the agars? Reaction of the intermediate diazo compounds with tyrosine or histidine forms red/orange and red/yellow compounds.

In your tests with the silver, did you approximate silver concentrations which would stimulate growth and well as inhibit it? It could be a different version of Lohner's experiments with silver coins that you see.

Based on a bit of research, I was expecting uniform growth up to a certain concentration, higher than which there would be no growth. Second guess would be progressively less growth based on increasing concentrations. I know it's not a very exciting experiment, it was just supposed to be a control for another organism that is less well studied. I googled lohner/silver coin and couldn't find anything.

I also looked up diazotization on wikipedia, not exactly sure how NO3- fits in with that.

iansmith said:
Are you sure you need to sterilize your media containing silver nitrate by autoclaving.

It is often recommended for certain media additive to be added after autoclaving. The supplementation would have to be filter sterilized.

Well I was making it all from scratch. I definitely realize now it was silly to autoclave after adding the AgNo3. I probably could've just used sterile technique, even without filtering, to add the silver at the end. Afterall not much is going to be living in 1 millimolar silver concentrations. I did it mostly for convenience.
 
Spirochete said:
Based on a bit of research, I was expecting uniform growth up to a certain concentration, higher than which there would be no growth. Second guess would be progressively less growth based on increasing concentrations. I know it's not a very exciting experiment, it was just supposed to be a control for another organism that is less well studied. I googled lohner/silver coin and couldn't find anything.

I also looked up diazotization on wikipedia, not exactly sure how NO3- fits in with that.

If your silver nitrate was contaminated with significant amounts of nitrite, the result is a chemical (at low pH) called nitrous acid or HONO. This is the reagent used to produce diazo compounds from primary and secondary amines. The manufacture of silver nitrate that has no or low levels of nitrite contaminants is not straightforward and some reagent grade silver nitrate reagents are contaminated with these compounds.

Lohner's experiment (circa 1920-something) used embedded silver coins in agar. A bacteria-free zone close to the silver coin is observed fringed by a zone of enhanced bacterial growth. Silver kills at higher levels and stimulates a lower levels. I remember doing this back in high school (no not in the 20's).
 
chemisttree said:
If your silver nitrate was contaminated with significant amounts of nitrite, the result is a chemical (at low pH) called nitrous acid or HONO. This is the reagent used to produce diazo compounds from primary and secondary amines. The manufacture of silver nitrate that has no or low levels of nitrite contaminants is not straightforward and some reagent grade silver nitrate reagents are contaminated with these compounds.

cool, good stuff to know
 

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