Real Time Decisions and the Moral Implications of Technological Advancements

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The discussion centers on the moral implications of mathematics and its potential misuse, particularly in the context of historical atrocities like the Holocaust. It argues that while mathematics is a powerful tool, its application can lead to dehumanization if not paired with a moral framework. Participants debate whether the quantification inherent in math can strip away the complexity and uniqueness of human experiences, leading to a trivial understanding of life. The conversation also touches on the need for education to bridge the gap between mathematical skills and ethical considerations. Ultimately, the discourse emphasizes the importance of integrating moral awareness into mathematical education to prevent future misuse of technology.
  • #31
Association is any possible mutual influence between opposite concepts.



Could you demonstrate how to derive this statement from the definitions:

Definition AA: Un-explorable Existence is a state of some opposite concepts,
before there is any mutual influence on each opposite's property.

Definition BB: Explorable Existence is a state of some opposite concepts,
where there is a mutual influence between their opposite properties.

Explorable Product (EP) exists iff it is an association between Continuum (Csim) and Discreteness (Dsim) concepts, so CD is Csim AND Dsim .
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Hurkyl

There are two levels to CAT, one is general, the second is mathematical.

The mathematical aspect of CAT is the association at least between two opposite information forms:

1) The local map form {.} (a map between a singleton to itself).

2) The non-local map form {._.} (a map between at least two different singletons).

The associations are between non-local maps to sub-non-local maps and/or local maps, for example:
Code: 
__  . is like {} = Csim XOR Dsim = Non EP

.
| is like {{}} = Csim AND Dsim = CD = EP


An example:

 
        local maps = Dism
         |   |   |
         v   v   v
         .   .   .    
         |   |   |   
         |   |   |  = CD  
         |   |   |   
         ._______.
             ^
             |
       Non-local map = Csim
  

       Sub-non-local maps = Dsim
           |  |  |
           v  v  v 
         .__.__.__.  
         |  |  |  |  
         |  |  |  |  = CD
         |  |  |  |  
         .________.  
             ^
             |
       Non-local map = Csim


sub-non-local maps local-map = Dsim
           |  |    |
           v  v    v 
          .__.__.  .  
          |  |  |  |  
          |  |  |  |  = CD
          |  |  |  |  
          .________.  
              ^
              |
        Non-local map = Csim
 
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  • #32
Could you demonstrate how to derive this statement from the definitions you gave?

"Association is any possible mutual influence between opposite concepts."
 
  • #33
Organic,

I don't know if you are aware of this, but you have a quirky way of using the English language. Simple minds like mine have a hard time following you. Most people would say either "between A and B" or "from A to B," depending on the intended context. You, on the other hand, say "between A to B," as in "between a singleton to itself."
 
  • #34
Hurkyl,
Could you demonstrate how to derive this statement from the definitions you gave?

"Association is any possible mutual influence between opposite concepts."
I alredy gave a complete answer in my previous post.

Please tell me what you don't understand in it.
 
  • #35
I alredy gave a complete answer in my previous post.

Please tell me what you don't understand in it.

My complaint is that you did not use any of the definitions you stated.
 
  • #36
My complaint is that you did not use any of the definitions you stated.
Please show us a detailed example.
 
  • #37
An example of you not using your definitions?

Organic said:
There are two levels to CAT, one is general, the second is mathematical.

The mathematical aspect of CAT is the association at least between two opposite information forms:

1) The local map form {.} (a map between a singleton to itself).

2) The non-local map form {._.} (a map between at least two different singletons).

The associations are between non-local maps to sub-non-local maps and/or local maps, for example:
Code: 
__  . is like {} = Csim XOR Dsim = Non EP

.
| is like {{}} = Csim AND Dsim = CD = EP


An example:

 
        local maps = Dism
         |   |   |
         v   v   v
         .   .   .    
         |   |   |   
         |   |   |  = CD  
         |   |   |   
         ._______.
             ^
             |
       Non-local map = Csim
  

       Sub-non-local maps = Dsim
           |  |  |
           v  v  v 
         .__.__.__.  
         |  |  |  |  
         |  |  |  |  = CD
         |  |  |  |  
         .________.  
             ^
             |
       Non-local map = Csim


sub-non-local maps local-map = Dsim
           |  |    |
           v  v    v 
          .__.__.  .  
          |  |  |  |  
          |  |  |  |  = CD
          |  |  |  |  
          .________.  
              ^
              |
        Non-local map = Csim
 
  • #38
An example of you not using your definitions?
Sorry, but I don't see something which is not based on my definitions.
 
  • #39
Whether or not what you wrote is based on the definitions, you most certainly did not use the definitions at all.
 
  • #40
Please give one detailed example that clearly demonstrates your claim.
 
  • #41
association at least between two opposite information forms

Where does the phrase "information forms" appear in your definitions?
 
  • #42
You mean "opposite information forms".

In Mathematics these information forms are continuum(=Csim) and discreteness(=Dsim).
 
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  • #43
It's Friday night and I just got paid.

Okay, I am going to open a beer and really study Organic's links to figure out what he is trying to do.
 
  • #44
Three beers down, nine to go.

Okay, this is what I am getting so far. Organic likes to label trees with units inside of parentheses, and the more symmetrically the parentheses are nested, the greater the symmetry degree he assigns to it (though not in a quantitative way, that I can see), and the lower the degree of clarity he assigns to it (though he does not quantify "clarity" either, that I have seen so far).

Organic's "structural identification" chart is starting to look like a Hebrew manuscript to me. Also, my room is starting to spin a little bit.
 
  • #45
5 bears down

orgamic;s theory is making sum sense to me know also Ienstein & Hawkins always saids that pi starts out as 3.14592 but that it keeps geting biegger as you go faster and when you go to light speeds or is past that you now it gets to be infenitty so pi is infenitte in that sense

conjexure---- all big numbers is prime numbers this disprooves russel;s pairofdocs abouit sets and it seams to me that if
 
  • #46
8 of um

forgot whut i Was going to sAy ohyeah orgasnic numbers is just wurmholes in teh numbrline beeCAUS kirz woodn eyes a spoun of zilc mades it taht waigh
 
  • #47
Janitor, by jove I think you've got it. At least it makes as much sense as anything else.
 
  • #48
Oh my head hurts.

Matt, I came up with a really cool proof last night that pi is infinity. But the margins of my TV Guide were too small to contain my proof, and I'll be danged if I can remember how to do the proof this morning.
:mad:
 
  • #49
Good morning Janitor,

To be drunk is a legal state by my Math point of view.
 
  • #50
Thank you, Organic.

A bright and sunny day here. My apologies to you, to Einstein, to Hawking, and to Russell for any mischaracterization of your ideas that I may have promulgated last night.
 
  • #51
Organic said:
Good morning Janitor,

To be drunk is a legal state by my Math point of view.

As long as you aren't going to derive. Ba-boom tscch. Where's Hurkyl's drum roll smiley when you want it. I'm almost ashamed to post this. But then no one I would care about would take anything in this thread too seriously
 
  • #52
You Know Matt?

The MAD magazine has beautiful pictures of jokes without any descriptions related to them.

You see them and you laugh.

Pay attention to this "NO DESCRIPTIONS" and you laugh!

http://hem.fyristorg.com/ulf.crona/MAD/pages/bomb.htm

It is a magic isn't it?
 
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  • #53
Hey.

Drunk deriving is nothing for you guys to be joking about.
 
  • #54
At least it's one dui that George W. Bush won't do.
 
  • #55
Yah,,

Say it to Matt,
 

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