Recurrence Relations - Determining a solution of the recurrence relation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a recurrence relation of the form an = 8an-1 - 16an-2. Participants are exploring various proposed solutions and how to verify them by substituting into the original relation. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to recurrence relations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in substituting proposed solutions into the recurrence relation, particularly for solutions involving n.
  • Another participant provides a substitution for the proposed solution an = 2n, demonstrating the use of exponent properties.
  • Further contributions clarify the calculations for an = 4n, with emphasis on the application of exponent rules.
  • Some participants note discrepancies between their calculations and the answers provided in a textbook, leading to confusion about whether certain proposed solutions satisfy the recurrence relation.
  • Questions arise regarding the handling of terms and the presence of factors in the calculations, prompting discussions about reviewing properties of exponents.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the proposed solutions, as some believe certain solutions do not satisfy the recurrence relation while others assert they do. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of specific solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the application of exponent rules and the handling of terms in their calculations. There are references to textbook answers that conflict with individual calculations, indicating potential misunderstandings or misapplications of mathematical principles.

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Hello -

I am having a tough time understanding the problems in the attached picture (Problem 13). My issue is understanding how I plug in the proposed solutions, specifically those that include n. I am able to solve A and B but unable to solve the rest.

For instance, how do I plug in C or D into the original question? What do I do with the original sub values (n-1) and (n-2) ?

Here is the problem:

"Is the sequence {an} a solution of the recurrence relation
an = 8an-1 - 16an-2 if:"

a) an = 0?
b) an = 1?
c) an = 2n?
d) an = 4n?
e) an = n4n?

My approach to question c

8(2n-1) -16(2n-2)
which I believe gives me...
= 16n-1 - 32n-2

But that answer is obviously wrong. So I'm thinking that I am not plugging the solutions that include n properly. Ugghh so frustrated.
 
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an = 8an-1 - 16an-2

(c)
8(2n-1) -16(2n-2)

note that $2^a(2^b) = 2^{a+b}$ ...

$2^3(2^{n-1}) - 2^4(2^{n-2})$

$2^{n+2} - 2^{n+2} = 0$

use the same property of exponents for (d)
 
skeeter said:
(c)

note that $2^a(2^b) = 2^{a+b}$ ...

$2^3(2^{n-1}) - 2^4(2^{n-2})$

$2^{n+2} - 2^{n+2} = 0$

use the same property of exponents for (d)

Thank you! That definitely gives me an idea and I will now brush up on my laws of exponents. Haven't used it in a while.

Looking at the answers in the back of the book, #c is not a solution for {an} since it is not equal to 2n. It also mentions that #d is a solution since 4n satisfies the equation. However, when I work the equation the same manner as you did, I end of with 0. It should end up with 4n in order to satisfy the equation.

Here is how I worked the problem. You'll notice that I am stuck again.

=8(4n-1) - 16(4n-2)
=23(4n-1) - 24(4n-2)
=23(22+n-1) - 24(22+n-2)
=0
 
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8(4n-1) - 16(4n-2)



$2^3[(2^2)^{n-1}] - 2^4[(2^2)^{n-2}]$

$2^3[2^{2n-2}] - 2^4[2^{2n-4}]$

$2^{2n+1} - 2^{2n}$

$2^{2n}(2 - 1) = 2^{2n}$

recommend you review properties of exponents
 
skeeter said:
$2^3[(2^2)^{n-1}] - 2^4[(2^2)^{n-2}]$

$2^3[2^{2n-2}] - 2^4[2^{2n-4}]$

$2^{2n+1} - 2^{2n}$

$2^{2n}(2 - 1) = 2^{2n}$

recommend you review properties of exponents


I think you are right about reviewing exponential properties. Thank you so much.

Last question...

What happened to the +1 where you wrote 22n+1−22n ?

Thanks again, my friend. I now know exactly where I'm lacking and what I need to review.
 
$2^{2n+1} - 2^{2n}$

$2^{2n} \cdot 2^1 - 2^{2n}$

the two terms above have the common factor $2^{2n}$ ...

$\color{red}{2^{2n}}$ $\cdot 2 - $ $\color{red}{2^{2n}}$

... factor it out from the two terms

$\color{red}{2^{2n}}$ $(2 - 1)$

$2^{2n} (1) = 2^{2n} = 4^n$
 

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