Regarding the Clifford algebra and spinors

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The discussion revolves around the properties of Clifford algebras and spinors in the context of relativistic quantum mechanics (RQM). Participants explore the role of the gamma zero tensor as a potential metric for spinors, the implications of Lorentz invariance, and the normalization of spinor wavefunctions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the gamma zero tensor acts as a metric for spinors, noting its use in normalizing solutions to the Dirac equation.
  • Another participant states that for spinors, the norm ψ†ψ is not invariant and suggests using a 4x4 matrix that acts like a metric instead.
  • A later reply confirms that the gamma zero tensor is used as a metric but raises concerns about the invariance of the norm of a spinor under Lorentz transformations, particularly when it appears to depend on energy.
  • Another participant calculates a specific expression for a particle moving along the z-axis and expresses doubt about its invariance.
  • One participant introduces the concept of a correctly normalized plane wave solution, emphasizing the importance of an additional normalization factor to ensure Lorentz invariance.
  • Another participant mentions the convention for free particle spinors and their normalization conditions.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the normalization factor, initially viewing it as a dimensionless constant applicable only in one inertial frame.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the invariance of the norm of spinors and the role of the gamma zero tensor as a metric. There is no consensus on whether the normalization process adequately preserves Lorentz invariance.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential misunderstandings regarding normalization factors and their implications for Lorentz invariance, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and assumptions about wavefunctions.

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Hello! I´m currently taking a course in RQM and have some questions for which I didnt get any satisfactory answers on the lecture. All comments are appricieted!

1. Is the gamma zero tensor some kind of metric in the space for spinors? When normalizing our solution to the Dirac equation it seems as we use them exactly as our metric in SR.

2. As I understood it the gamma matricies are Lorentz invariant tensors. However when taking the norm of a spinor describing a particle moving in let's say the z-direction we get a answer that depends on the energy (only one component of our 4-momentum). In other words it seems as if our normalization is not invariant under Lorentz transformations and therefore not gamma 0?

Thanks in advance!
 
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For a Lorentz 4-vector, x·x is not invariant. To get an invariant you have to insert a metric, x·η·x where η = (-1, 1, 1, 1).

Likewise for spinors, ψψ is not an invariant, you must insert a 4x4 matrix that acts like a metric, and consider instead ψ†ηψ. Now if a Dirac spinor transforms like ψ → Lψ under a Lorentz transformation, then ψηψ → ψLηLψ, and so the condition that this quantity is a Lorentz scalar is LηL = η. The solution is η = γ0.
 
Bill_K said:
For a Lorentz 4-vector, x·x is not invariant. To get an invariant you have to insert a metric, x·η·x where η = (-1, 1, 1, 1).

Likewise for spinors, ψψ is not an invariant, you must insert a 4x4 matrix that acts like a metric, and consider instead ψ†ηψ. Now if a Dirac spinor transforms like ψ → Lψ under a Lorentz transformation, then ψηψ → ψLηLψ, and so the condition that this quantity is a Lorentz scalar is LηL = η. The solution is η = γ0.

Yes! This is what I mean when I say that it seems as we use the gamma 0 tensor as a metric. However ψγ0ψ = 1 - (p_z/E+m)2 for a particle moving in the z direction. Is the RHS really a Lorentz scalar?

Is it mathematically correct to actually call γ0 our metric in the space of spinors? Or is this just a smiliarity of how we use an metric?
 
Surely, if the electron is moving along the z axis then p_z = p and then
1 - (\frac{p}{(E + m)})^2 = \frac{E^2 + 2Em + m^2 - p^2}{(E + m)^2} = \frac{2m}{(E + m)}
I'm no expert, but this doesn't look invariant to me.
 
The correctly normalized plane wave solution has an additional factor of ((E + m)/2m)½ in front. E.g. Bjorken and Drell vol I gives the plane wave solution as

ψ(pz) = ((E + m)/2m)½(pz/(E + m), 0, 1, 0)

Multiply your answer of 2m/(E + m) by this additional factor squared, and you get 1.
 
for free particle spinors,the convention is
u-u=2mS\daggerS,where S is two component spinor normalized by
S\daggerS=1.
 
Thanks Bill
 
Yeah I agree with you, but don't you see the problem I´m pointing at? :)

1) Our metric (γ0) defines an inner product which gives us a norm, |ψ|2 = ψηψ.
2)When I calculate the norm of a spinor it is dependent of its energy.
3) Energy is not a Lorentz scalar so the norm is not invariant under Lorentz transformations.

So it seems to me that our metric is not Lorentz invariant. But I assume that there is some misunderstanding in my logic..
 
2)When I calculate the norm of a spinor it is dependent of its energy.
No sorry, if that's the case, you're using improperly normalized wavefunctions! See above:
The correctly normalized plane wave solution has an additional factor of ((E + m)/2m)½ in front. E.g. Bjorken and Drell vol I gives the plane wave solution as

ψ(pz) = ((E + m)/2m)½(pz/(E + m), 0, 1, 0)
The norm of this wavefunction is ψψ = 1, as it should be. The plane wave solution is derived by taking a solution at rest and Lorentz transforming it, so its norm is guaranteed to be Lorentz invariant, by construction.

The full set of wavefunctions for given p consist of two positive energy solutions ur(p) and two negative energy solutions vr(p) where r = ±1 is the spin coordinate. The normalization is:
ur(p)us(p) = δrs
vr(p)vs(p) = - δrs
ur(p)vs(p) = vr(p)us(p) = 0
 
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Yeah, I am with you now. Dont know why but I regareded your additional normalization factor as a dimensionless constant which only normalizes for one inertial frame. :)
 

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