Relativistic elementary particle problem

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The discussion revolves around a decay process involving a pion decaying into a muon and an anti-muon neutrino. The original poster seeks to determine how far the muon travels before it decays, given that the pion is stationary prior to the decay. The problem involves concepts from relativistic physics, particularly energy and momentum conservation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation laws to find the momentum of the muon, questioning the validity of using classical momentum equations in a relativistic context. Some participants suggest using relativistic expressions for energy and momentum instead of classical ones. There is also discussion about the treatment of the neutrino as massless and how to equate energy and momentum for the particles involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion has evolved with some participants providing guidance on applying conservation of energy and momentum directly. The original poster has indicated progress in their understanding and has proposed a method for solving the problem, although there remains some uncertainty regarding the application of certain equations and concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of using relativistic expressions and the potential confusion arising from classical mechanics assumptions. There is an acknowledgment that the original poster's approach may need refinement to align with relativistic principles.

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Homework Statement


We have the decay process:

pion --> muon + anti muon neutrion

How long does the muon travel before it decays? (the pion is stationary before the decay)

The answer is supposed to be

d = c * t (m(pi)^2 + m(mu)^2) / (2 m(pi) * m(mu) )

where t is the mean lifetime of the muon in it's center of mass system.

The Attempt at a Solution



Now I know about the conservation laws of energy and momentum.

Also from the form of the formula for d, I see that we should have d/t = v , where v is the speed of the muon. The speed is related to the momentum by p = mv. So I should try to find the momentum p of the muon. Now I say that the neutrino is massless and define the change in rest energy to be:

delta E = c^2 ( m(pi) - m(mu) )

This energy should then give the muon and the neutrino some momentum and kynetic energy. So I should use the conservation laws to find p and then the problem should be finished. But I haven't been able to show this. Anyone have any clue how to do this?

regards
Frímann
 
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dreamspy said:
Now I know about the conservation laws of energy and momentum.

Also from the form of the formula for d, I see that we should have d/t = v , where v is the speed of the muon. The speed is related to the momentum by p = mv.

You should be using relativistic expressions for all quantities. p =mv is not true when the effects of special relativity are important.

So I should try to find the momentum p of the muon. Now I say that the neutrino is massless and define the change in rest energy to be:

delta E = c^2 ( m(pi) - m(mu) )

This is not a useful quantity. You should compute the energy of the pion, muon and neutrino and directly apply energy conservation.

This energy should then give the muon and the neutrino some momentum and kynetic energy. So I should use the conservation laws to find p and then the problem should be finished. But I haven't been able to show this. Anyone have any clue how to do this?

regards
Frímann

Indeed you want to apply conservation of energy and momentum to find the energy and momentum of the muon. By comparing this to the rest energy of the muon, you can determine the Lorentz transformation and then use this to compute the time dilation.
 
actually I was able to finish the problem using the foundation I posted in my first post. I simply say that the extra energy is divided to the kinetic energy of the muon and the neutrino:

delta E = T(muon) + T(Neutrino)

The momentum of the muon and the neutrino are equal but in oposite directions:

|p(muon)| = |p(neutrino)| = p

Then I simply use:

T(muon) = E(muon) + E0(muon)

where E(muon)^2 = (cp)^2 + (E0)^2

and E0 = m(muon) c^2

Now equating the two functions for delta E will then give you the correct answer at least according to the problem. Although p=mv is not always valid.

regards
Frímann
 
dreamspy said:
actually I was able to finish the problem using the foundation I posted in my first post. I simply say that the extra energy is divided to the kinetic energy of the muon and the neutrino:

delta E = T(muon) + T(Neutrino)

OK, I just thought there's less room for confusion in general if you just apply energy conservation directly as E(initial) = E(final)

The momentum of the muon and the neutrino are equal but in oposite directions:

|p(muon)| = |p(neutrino)| = p

Then I simply use:

T(muon) = E(muon) + E0(muon)

You either mean

E(muon) = T(muon) + E0(muon)

or

T(muon) = E(muon) - E0(muon)

Although p=mv is not always valid.

Right. If you can work entirely in terms of the momentum and energy you won't have a problem. If you need to compute a velocity you need to use the correct formula.
 

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