Relativistic Lightning on Train Problem

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The problem involves analyzing the simultaneity of two lightning strikes as observed from a moving train and from the ground, within the context of special relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the lightning strikes being simultaneous for an observer on the train versus an observer on the ground. There are attempts to visualize the scenario using light rays and considerations of distance traveled by light.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the nature of the problem, suggesting that it relates to the constancy of the speed of light and the principles of special relativity. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem and the need for further exploration of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of avoiding the use of Lorentz transformations, indicating a possible constraint in the approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement



Suppose the two lightning bolts shown in the figure 37.5a in the txtbook are simultaneous to an observer on the train.

Show that they are not simultaneous to an observer on the ground.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Thios is a long written Answer of Mastering Physics, but I am not quite sure what soirt of answer they are looking for, any ideas would be greatly appreciated,

TFM
 

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Hi TFM! :smile:

Assuming they don't want you to use the Lorentz transformations …

… my guess is that they want you to draw in rays of light going between Mavis and A´ or B´,

and then describe how Stanley sees those rays. :smile:
 
Assuming that the train is moving, then surely the lightning bolts will travel equal distances to Mavis in the middle as they have to travel equal distances, but to Stanley, they rays have to travel different distances. But this doesn't seem to be related to relativity?

TFM
 
TFM said:
… But this doesn't seem to be related to relativity?

Hi TFM! :smile:

It's related to the constancy of the speed of light.

The question is designed to make you see that once we assume that everyone regards the speed of light as c, then the whole of special relativity follows! :smile:
 
That makes Sense!

Thanks for the Advice, Tiny-Tim :smile:

The Ferry Man
 

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