Representations of a noncompact group

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The discussion revolves around the representations of noncompact groups, specifically addressing whether such groups can admit finite-dimensional unitary representations. The scope includes theoretical considerations and challenges related to the definitions and properties of inner products in the context of group representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that finite or compact groups admit finite-dimensional unitary representations, while questioning the converse for noncompact groups.
  • Another participant points out that every group has a trivial representation, suggesting a need for clarification on what constitutes a nontrivial representation.
  • A participant provides an example of a noncompact group (the real line) with a nontrivial, finite-dimensional unitary representation, challenging the standard belief regarding noncompact groups.
  • Further inquiry is made about the existence of partial converses to the claim that noncompact groups do not admit finite-dimensional unitary representations, specifically regarding representations differing from trivial ones only by a phase.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the assertion that noncompact groups cannot have finite-dimensional unitary representations, with some providing counterexamples and others referencing established beliefs in theoretical physics.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the definitions and properties of representations, particularly concerning the role of positive definiteness in inner products and the nature of trivial versus nontrivial representations.

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Hi all,
It's a well-known result that any finite or compact group G admits a finite-dimensional, unitary representation. A standard proof of this claim involves defining a new inner product of two vectors by averaging the inner products of the images of the vectors under each element of the image of G under the representation. So given an inner product (a,b) on a vector space admitting some representation T(g) define
\langle a , b \rangle = \frac{1}{[g]} \sum_{g\in G} (T(g)a,T(g)b)
so that acting with an element of the image of G under the representation just reorders the sum, and hence the representation is unitary wrt this new inner product. This is for finite groups; for a compact group, I understand that we can replace the sum with an integral over group elements and divide by the "volume" of the group (e.g. 2pi for SO(2)) rather than the order [g].

Now, it seems to be part of the theoretical physics lore that the converse holds- that a noncompact group does not admit finite dimensional unitary representations. Can anyone direct me to a proof of this? I ask because the Lorentz group admits a faithful, four-dimensional representation that is "unitary" with respect to the Minkowski "inner product". The quotation marks are intended to indicate an awareness that the Minkowski inner product is really a symmetric bilinear form, as it's not positive definite. So it seems to me that a proof of this statement must hinge crucially on the positive definiteness of an inner product, even though our proof of the original result relies essentially upon the finiteness of the group and yet seemingly not at all upon the positive definiteness of the i.p.

Many thanks in advance.
 
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muppet said:
Now, it seems to be part of the theoretical physics lore that the converse holds- that a noncompact group does not admit finite dimensional unitary representations.

Every group admits a trivial representation - in any space.
 
Sorry, I should have stipulated "nontrivial". But thanks for the reply.
 
Take real line. Define

U(x)f=e^{ix}f

The group is non-compact. The representation is non-exactly-trivial, unitary, and can be finite-dimensional.
 
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Thank you again for your reply; it seems that the standard lore is indeed not correct, although I've had assurances from lecturers and found books that make that assertion. Do you know of any partial converse that is true; e.g that no such representations exist apart from those that differ from the trivial representation only by a phase?
 

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