Reproduction of the phenomenon with sand

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The discussion revolves around the reproduction of a specific phenomenon involving sand, as demonstrated in a linked video. Participants explore the types of sand, grain sizes, and other parameters necessary to replicate the observed effect, focusing on experimental approaches rather than the origins of the phenomenon.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using sand that behaves like an ideal fluid, recommending low density and small, uniform grain sizes, potentially achieved through a ball mill.
  • Another participant shares their experience with quartz sand of varying grain sizes, noting that larger grains did not reproduce the phenomenon and that river sand, even when dried and filtered, also failed to achieve the desired effect.
  • A suggestion is made to explore different ball sizes and drop heights, implying that multiple parameters may need to be optimized together.
  • A reference to an article is provided, which details the characteristics of sand and steel balls used in similar experiments, mentioning an average grain size of around 40 micrometers.
  • One participant shares a method for preparing sand in a "fluid-like" state, involving decompaction and homogenization through air blowing, which may be relevant for achieving the desired experimental conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various approaches and experiences without reaching a consensus on the specific type of sand or parameters required to reproduce the phenomenon. Multiple competing views and suggestions remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of grain size and density but do not resolve the optimal conditions for reproducing the phenomenon. There are references to specific experimental setups and parameters that remain unverified.

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Hello, guys, I am new here. I'm wondering, what kind of sand should I use to reproduce this phenomenon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7LpmE9hl-c&feature=related
I've tried several kinds of sand, but the phenomenon hasn't observed.
What density should sand has? What is the fraction (diametr) of sand?
Thank you.
PS: I don't asking about origins of this effect. Just want to reproduce it.
 
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You want the sand to behave as much like an ideal fluid as possible. Therefore, I would imagine you want the density of the sand to be as low as possible. You would also want the grains to be as small, and as uniform, as possible. You could accomplish both of these by running the sand through a ball mill.

You also want the ball/projectile to be as dense as possible. Copper and iron are good choices.
 
Thx for reply.
I've tried quartz sand with diameter of grains 0,1 mm, but it behaves more like a flour, such as 0,2 mm. With grains sized 0,63 mm the phenomenon isn't observed, too. With further increasing the phenomenon isn't observed. I decided to swap my attempts with quartz sand to attempts with a river sand. It was rather wet, so I've dried it with an oven. Then I filtered it to size ~3/4 mm (as it looks). It feels more soft then quartz and the ball goes in it (not deep), but the phenomenon doesn't observes. Ideas?
 
Have you tried to google authors? With names and university given in the video it shouldn't be difficult.

Have you tried different ball sizes? Different drop heights? Could be it is a matter of correct selection of several parameters that play together. Something like having Reynolds number in the correct range (no, I am not saying it is about Reynolds number, that's just a lame analogy).
 
Take a look at this article:

http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0406368"

Details about the sand and steel ball are given in the first paragraph. Sand grains are around 40micrometers.
 
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Thank u.
"Therefore, in order to prepare a welldefined
initial state, we decompactify and homogenize
extremely fine sand (average grain-size of about 40μm;
grains are non-spherical) by blowing air through it via
a perforated bottom plate. The height of the sand bed
above the bottom plate is typically 25-40cm. The air is
slowly turned off before the experiments and the grains
are left to settle in an extremely loose packing with the
force-chains either broken or substantially weakened. We
call this a “fluid-like” state" - for those, who interested in it, too.
 
I'll tell u, if my experiments will go on well.
 

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