Rich-Kids Loophole Means More Time on SAT

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The discussion revolves around the perceived advantages that wealthy students have in standardized testing, particularly the SAT, through the use of accommodations for learning disabilities. Participants explore the implications of this practice, societal attitudes towards wealth and education, and the integrity of the educational system.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express outrage over wealthy students allegedly faking learning disabilities to gain extra time on the SAT, suggesting this practice undermines fairness.
  • Others argue that the issue of privilege extends beyond just the SAT, pointing out that connections and financial resources have historically aided rich students in gaining admission to prestigious schools.
  • A few participants humorously suggest that parents should be held accountable for their children's actions, indicating a belief in parental responsibility.
  • There are claims that the educational system itself is flawed, with some suggesting that the focus should be on the systemic issues rather than blaming individual students.
  • Several participants reflect on the changing nature of educational advantages, with some lamenting the loss of simpler times when connections were the primary means of gaining admission to elite institutions.
  • Some express skepticism about the effectiveness of tutoring for wealthy students, suggesting that tutors may not provide genuine educational value.
  • One participant mentions a "rich" student who is failing, implying that financial support does not guarantee academic success.
  • Another participant questions the value of formal education, suggesting that skipping classes may lead to better learning outcomes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement on the implications of wealth in education, with multiple competing views on the morality of exploiting the system and the effectiveness of educational practices. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to address these issues.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect personal anecdotes and opinions rather than established facts, and there is a notable lack of consensus on the effectiveness and ethics of current educational practices.

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This is so wrong. :devil:

"March 30, 2006 — When Ali Hellberg, 19, was in prep school, she said several of her classmates obtained notes from psychologists diagnosing them with learning disabilities, even though they didn't have any learning problems.

They faked learning disabilities to get extra time to take the Scholastic Aptitude Test, or SAT, in the hopes of getting a higher score, she said."

"Jay Brody, the tutor, said that extra time is as good as adding a couple hundred points to a student's score."

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=1787712&page=1
 
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Rich kids? They had psychos... i mean psychologists at my school and we were pretty friggen poor. I think there should be a "blame rich people" syndrome that should be studied. Sounds to me like some kids haven't gotten spanked enough.
 
Pengwuino said:
Rich kids? They had psychos... i mean psychologists at my school and we were pretty friggen poor. I think there should be a "blame rich people" syndrome that should be studied. Sounds to me like some kids haven't gotten spanked enough.
I think the parents need to be spanked on this one.

So, how much extra time did you get? :biggrin: <joking>
 
Evo said:
I think the parents need to be spanked on this one.

So, how much extra time did you get? :biggrin: <joking>

I have a serious health disorder! Pengwutitis is a serious mental condition jerk!
 
What happened to the good ole days where the rich kids just got into good schools via their parents connections?
 
Pengwuino said:
I have a serious health disorder! Pengwutitis is a serious mental condition jerk!
runs into thread <sprays lysol> runs out
 
cyrusabdollahi said:
What happened to the good ole days where the rich kids just got into good schools via their parents connections?

What is this society coming to :cry:
 
Let's not get into how its spread...
 
cyrusabdollahi said:
What happened to the good ole days where the rich kids just got into good schools via their parents connections?
Now that's the right way to do it. At least everyone knows how you got in. How do you think my ex got into an Ivy League school so he could play bleets and party for 4 years?
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
Let's not get into how its spread...
It's moldy bread (ergot) I think someone hasn't been washing his flippers...
 
  • #11
The good thing about physics is that i don't think you can parent your way through grad school...

i wonder if you can get some bs cheating crap or with parents to get into grad schools actually...
 
  • #12
Let me guess that "rich" student in princeton is now failing.
 
  • #13
Whatever happened to being true unto yourself?

Despite everything, including other individuals and what they do and not do, I knew that being true to me and my intent to do right and be right would not be hindered by anything.

The fact that thousands of individuals lied or cheated or got "connected" into a higher branch of learning or into a 'well-paid' position had nothing to do with me thoroughly learning and mastering the said subject.

The difference is that now I can teach those that were my peers, and some of those that were my peers still need to be taught the said subject and or, what it is to be right.
 
  • #14
Oh my god, I thought I was the only one who thought of that.
 
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scott1 said:
Let me guess that "rich" student in princeton is now failing.
Au contraire -- his parents pay for lots of tutors.
 
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Jenga said:
Au contraire -- his parents pay for lots of tutors.

Thankfully, there is no tutors for GRE's and such... if there is a God...
 
  • #17
Jenga said:
Au contraire -- his parents pay for lots of tutors.
Wait a tutor for a "rich" person:smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:
Everone knows that tutors for "rich" kids are just people who pretend to know the stuff so they can get money.
 
  • #18
tutors for "rich" kids are just people who pretend to know the stuff so they can get money.
What? I thought I was the only one who figured that out and does it.
 
  • #19
dont blame the kid for taking advantage of the system, blame the system for being faulty
 
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i_wish_i_was_smart said:
dont blame the kid for taking advantage of the system, blame the system for being faulty

As with all things in life, it's all the psychologists fault
 
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scott1 said:
Let me guess that "rich" student in princeton is now failing.
I have no idea, but the "rich" student that partied through Yale is President of the US. But maybe that has more to do with the "poor" kid that dropped out of college, but became a successful campaign manager.
 
  • #22
That's really something... so one must skip class in order to learn more and better?

I've always felt formal educational institutions are worthless and pathetic. Now I know.
 

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