Robert Wilson: Physics is Worth Defending for Its Own Sake

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The discussion revolves around the value of physics and its funding, particularly in relation to a historical testimony by physicist Robert Wilson before Congress regarding the justification for government expenditure on scientific research. The scope includes historical context, philosophical implications, and personal perspectives on the importance of scientific inquiry versus immediate practical results.

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  • One participant recalls Robert Wilson's testimony to Congress in 1969, emphasizing his argument that the value of physics is akin to the arts and contributes to national pride, rather than direct security.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the emotional justifications for physics funding, stating a preference for tangible results and expressing doubt about seeing such results within their lifetime.
  • A third participant echoes the sentiment of wanting results over emotional appeals, reinforcing the previous point.
  • A fourth participant references a quote from Faraday to illustrate skepticism about the practical utility of scientific advancements, suggesting that historical figures have similarly questioned the immediate usefulness of scientific discoveries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the value of emotional or cultural justifications for physics funding versus the desire for concrete results. There is no consensus on the importance of the arts analogy or the relevance of immediate outcomes in scientific research.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying attitudes toward the justification of scientific funding, with some participants valuing philosophical and cultural contributions while others prioritize practical outcomes. The historical context of Wilson's testimony adds depth but does not resolve the differing perspectives.

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Hi all,

I'm trying to find the exact quote that I remember reading about a couple years ago. It was by some physicist who went in front of Congress (can't remember if it was the House or senate) and was asked why Congress should spend $200 million (I may be incorrect on the figure) to build a new particle accelerator. For some reason I remember the article claiming it was from the 1950s or 60s maybe. The physicist in effect responds by equating physics to the arts, and asks why we fund the arts; and replies by claiming it creates national pride. Of course much more eloquently.

thanksNevermind I found it. If anyone's interested...

In 1969, the Congressional Joint Committee on Atomic Energy held a hearing at which the physicist Robert Wilson was called to testify. Wilson, who had served as the chief of experimental nuclear physics for the Manhattan Project, was at that point the head of CERN’s main rival, Fermilab, and in charge of $250 million that Congress had recently allocated for the lab to build a new collider. Senator John Pastore, of Rhode Island, wanted to know the rationale behind a government expenditure of that size. Did the collider have anything to do with promoting “the security of the country”?WILSON: No sir, I don’t believe so.
PASTORE: Nothing at all?
WILSON: Nothing at all.
PASTORE: It has no value in that respect?
WILSON: It only has to do with the respect with which we regard one another, the dignity of men, our love of culture. . . . It has to do with are we good painters, good sculptors, great poets? I mean all the things we really venerate in our country and are patriotic about. . . . It has nothing to do directly with defending our country except to make it worth defending.

Asked to explain how their work, supported by public funds, contributes to the public good, particle physicists often cite Wilson, or offer some variation on his non-answer answer: the search for knowledge cannot be justified on other grounds; its value, like the particles under study, is irreducible.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/05/14/070514fa_fact_kolbert?printable=true
 
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Frankly, I could care less if physicists get the warm and fuzzies. I want results! I just don't expect them in my lifetime.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Frankly, I could care less if physicists get the warm and fuzzies. I want results! I just don't expect them in my lifetime.

I second that notion!
 
Similair to Faraday's quote to Gladstone about if electricity will be of any use.
“Why, sir, there is every possibility that you will soon be able to tax it!
 

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