Rotational exited states spin and parity

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The discussion centers on the properties of rotational excited states in even-even nuclei, specifically addressing the nature of spin and parity in these systems. Participants explore theoretical aspects related to quantum mechanics and nuclear physics, referencing literature and attempting to clarify concepts related to rotational bands and symmetry operations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that even-even nuclei exhibit a rotational spectrum characterized by states with even spin values (0+, 2+, 4+, ...), questioning why these states have positive parity and why all members of a rotational band share the same parity.
  • Another participant references Krane's text, explaining that mirror symmetry restricts the sequence of rotational states to even values of spin (I), specifically mentioning the reflection in a plane perpendicular to the symmetry axis.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how mirror symmetry prevents odd spin values, indicating a lack of understanding regarding the implications of this symmetry.
  • One participant attempts to explain the necessity of three quantum numbers (I, M, K) to describe the motion of a rotating body in quantum mechanics, emphasizing the role of the body-fixed axis and the combination of terms needed for definite parity.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between the body-fixed axis and the symmetry axis of the nucleus, with a participant confirming that they are indeed the same.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the projection of angular momentum operators and the concept of K, seeking to understand how angular momentum is defined in the context of an even-even nucleus with no excited nucleons.
  • One participant clarifies that for an even-even nucleus, the intrinsic wavefunction has K = 0, leading to the lowest state in the band being 0+, while also noting that this is not the only possible case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concepts of spin, parity, and the implications of mirror symmetry. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and multiple viewpoints and questions remain unresolved.

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Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the quantum mechanical treatment of rotational states, particularly regarding the definitions and implications of the quantum numbers involved. The discussion reflects a reliance on specific interpretations of symmetry and angular momentum that may not be universally agreed upon.

Pete137
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Hi,

If you have a even-even nuclei which is deformed, you get a rotational spectrum of 0+,2+,4+,...
I don't understand why the parities are positive for even I and why all members of a rotational band must have the same parity.
I read about this in Krane's book: an introduction to nuclear physics. (Chapter 5, collective behaviour)

I thought a lot about this and asked an assitent of my professor who could not give an immediate respons.
 
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Krane says,

The mirror symmetry of the nucleus restricts the sequence of rotational states in this special case to even values of I.
The mirror symmetry he's referring to is the reflection in a plane perpendicular to the symmetry axis, i.e. z' → - z'.
 
Ok thanks, i thought he ment the parity operation.
But still, why does this mirror symmetry prevents uneven I?
 
I'll try to describe this without going overboard on the math. You need three quantum numbers to describe the motion of a rotating body in QM. Two of them are the usual angular momentum I and its projection M on the z axis. The third is K, the spin projection on the body-fixed axis z'. To construct a wavefunction that has definite parity it's necessary to take a linear combination of terms. But as long as the nucleus is mirror symmetric in Krane's sense (i.e. not pear-shaped!) |K| is a good quantum number, and we only need to combine +K with -K.

A rotational band is a set of states where the intrinsic wavefunction is fixed, and I varies.

For K > 0, the rotational band is I = K, K + 1, K + 2, ... with parity (-)K

For K = 0 there are two possibilities. We can have a band with I = 0+, 2+, 4+, ... or else I = 1-, 3-, 5-, ...
 
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Ok, i don't get what you mean with K, in QM you can know only one projection of an angular momentum operator. Is the body fixed axis z' the symmetry xis of the nucleus? What has spin to do with this? Assume the nucleus is even even and there are no nucleons exited. The only angular momentum it can have is from the rotation and is I right?
 
Pete137 said:
Is the body fixed axis z' the symmetry axis of the nucleus?
Yes.

Pete137 said:
Ok, i don't get what you mean with K, in QM you can know only one projection of an angular momentum operator.
As I said,

Two of them are the usual angular momentum I and its projection M on the z axis.
We're used to discussing just the motion of a point particle, but an extended object has more degrees of freedom, namely its orientation. In classical mechanics we describe the orientation by giving three Euler angles, in particular by stating how the z' axis (the symmetry axis of the object) is aligned wrt the z axis (which is fixed in space). In classical mechanics you give the angle between them. For a symmetrical classical object, the angle will be constant.

In QM a better description is the projection of I on z', which we call K. For a symmetrical quantum object, |K| is a constant of the motion.

Pete137 said:
Assume the nucleus is even even and there are no nucleons exited. The only angular momentum it can have is from the rotation and is I right?
For an even-even nucleus, the intrinsic wavefunction has K = 0 and the lowest state in the band is 0+. I was trying to point out that this is not the only possible case you can have.
 
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