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The discussion revolves around solving a rotational momentum problem involving a ballistic pendulum, where a projectile strikes an arm and becomes embedded in it. The arm's mass and length are specified, and the goal is to determine the maximum swing angle for two scenarios: treating the arm as a point mass and as a thin rigid rod. The user attempts to apply conservation of momentum and energy principles but struggles with the equations, particularly in simplifying them for the second scenario. They note that energy is not conserved during the impact due to energy loss, suggesting that momentum conservation should first be used to find the speed of the combined system post-impact before applying energy conservation to find the swing angle. The discussion highlights the importance of correctly applying both momentum and energy conservation principles to solve the problem.
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A ballistic pendulum consists of an arm of mass M and length L = 0.55 m. One end of the arm is pivoted so that the arm rotates freely in a vertical plane. Initially, the arm is motionless and hangs vertically from the pivot point. A projectile of the same mass M hits the lower end of the arm with a horizontal velocity of V = 1.8 m/s. The projectile remains stuck to the free end of the arm during their subsequent motion. Find the maximum angle to which the arm and attached mass will swing in each case.

a) The arm is treated as an ideal pendulum, with all of its mass concentrated as a point mass at the free end.

b) The arm is treated as a thin rigid rod, with its mass evenly distributed along its length.

Relevant equations:
mvL = (Irod + Iprojf
Ei = Ef
There might be a simpler equation, though.

Here's how I tried to solve it:
First, I solved for ωf by substituting the moments of inertia. I ended up with this:

ωf = mvL / [(1/3)mL2 + mL2] , which became:
3mv/(mL+3m).

Then, I used energy conservation, resulting in this equation:
1/2(Irod + Iprojf2 + mg(L/2) = mg(L-L cos θ) + mg{L/2 + [(L/2) - (L/2 cos θ)]}

I canceled the masses, yet I still got it wrong. I can't seem to find a way to simplify the equation! All the above is for part B. If I can get part B, I can get A, since it's the same, but with one less moment of inertia to worry about. All help is appreciated.

I'm sorry if this post isn't perfect. This is my first post here.
 
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1st stage: initially both projectile and pendulum are at rest.
2nd stage: the projectile hits and gets embedded in the pendulum.
3rd stage: both move as one body to a final angle.

I do not think that energy is conserved from stage (1) to stage (3) as shown above because in the impact at stage (2) energy is 'lost'.
 
grzz said:
1st stage: initially both projectile and pendulum are at rest.
2nd stage: the projectile hits and gets embedded in the pendulum.
3rd stage: both move as one body to a final angle.

I do not think that energy is conserved from stage (1) to stage (3) as shown above because in the impact at stage (2) energy is 'lost'.

Okay, but using momentum conservation doesn't get me the angle. Do I need Newton's Second Law?
 
Momentum conservation will give the speed of the combined system just after impact. THEN conservation of energy can be used and this will give the angle required.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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