Rules of Logarithms: Explained and Demystified

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The discussion focuses on the application of logarithmic rules in the context of Boltzmann's entropy hypothesis. The equation \(\frac{ΔS}{K_B}=ln(W_f)-ln(W_i)\) simplifies to \(\frac{ΔS}{K_B}=ln(\frac{W_f}{W_i})\), leading to the correct result \(e^{\frac{ΔS}{K_B}}=\frac{W_f}{W_i}\). The participants clarify that the logarithmic property \(ln(A) - ln(B) = ln(\frac{A}{B})\) is essential for accurate calculations, while \(ln(A+B)\) does not equal \(ln(A) + ln(B)\). Misunderstanding this distinction can lead to incorrect conclusions, such as \(e^{\frac{ΔS}{K_B}}=W_f-W_i\).

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Hi,

So I'm doing boltzmann's entropy hypothesis.

I have a basic question about the mathematics of logarithms.

For \frac{ΔS}{K_B}=ln(W_f)-ln(W_i), I do the correct maths and go \frac{ΔS}{K_B}=ln(\frac{W_f}{W_i}), and finally take the log of the equation to get:
e^{\frac{ΔS}{K_B}}=\frac{W_f}{W_i}
This is correct, according to my worksheet.

However, I was wondering why making ln(W_f)-ln(W_i)=ln(\frac{W_f}{W_i}) is necessary in order to get the correct equation. Why can't taking the log of ln(W_f)-ln(W_i) work?

If I do it, \frac{ΔS}{K_B}=ln(W_f)-ln(W_i) is e^{\frac{ΔS}{K_B}}=W_f-W_i, which is incorrect.

What is the mathematics behind this and what am I missing? Or is it just a general rule that you have to simplify the logs in order to proceed? It's bugging me.
 
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hi theojohn4! :smile:

eA+B isn't the same as eA + eB

eAB isn't the same as eAeB

similary, ln(A+B) isn't the same as lnA + lnB :wink:
 
theojohn4 said:
Hi,

So I'm doing boltzmann's entropy hypothesis.

I have a basic question about the mathematics of logarithms.

For \frac{ΔS}{K_B}=ln(W_f)-ln(W_i), I do the correct maths and go \frac{ΔS}{K_B}=ln(\frac{W_f}{W_i}), and finally take the log of the equation to get:
e^{\frac{ΔS}{K_B}}=\frac{W_f}{W_i}
You're not taking the log of each side - you're exponentiating each side of the equation. That is, you are making each side the exponent of e. There's a big difference.
 

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