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This discussion centers on the concept of space-time and its implications for velocity and time perception. The user seeks clarity on how movement affects time, particularly in relation to the theory of relativity. The analogy provided illustrates that total space-time velocity remains constant, with components of spatial velocity affecting the time component. As one approaches the speed of light, the relationship between spatial movement and time dilation becomes more pronounced, leading to significant decreases in the time experienced by the moving observer.

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  • Basic understanding of physics concepts such as velocity and acceleration
  • Familiarity with the theory of relativity, specifically Einstein's principles
  • Knowledge of 4-velocity and its components in space-time
  • Concept of time dilation and its experimental observations
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  • Explore Einstein's theory of relativity in detail, focusing on time dilation
  • Study the mathematical formulation of 4-velocity in special relativity
  • Research experimental evidence supporting time dilation, such as muon decay rates
  • Watch documentaries or lectures specifically addressing space-time concepts, such as those by Brian Greene or Neil deGrasse Tyson
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This discussion is beneficial for physics students, educators, and anyone interested in understanding the complexities of space-time and its effects on time perception during high-velocity travel.

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Hi.

I don't mean to sound stupid but I'm quite new to learning about space but I'm real hooked on understanding how it all works. One thing that I come across a lot is Space-Time...I'm really not sure that I understand how it in itself works...How something can move in a different time if it moves faster etc...I've tried to find documentaries that would help but am finding it difficult to find something specific to space-time itself. Can anyone suggest anything I can watch online or download that would clear this cloud in my mind?!?

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How is this for a simple analogy;

You have to accept first that everything has a fixed total space-time velocity. Let's apply this to regular 3 dimensional space. Say you are traveling and 100 Km/h due east. Your total velocity is 100 km/h. Now let's say you turn a bit so that you are going north-east. Your easterly velocity has become smaller, and your northerly velocity had increased from zero to some value. If you work out the total velocity, you still get 100 km/h.

Now, the trick with space-time is that in addition to the components of velocity in space (i.e. dx/dt, dy/dt, dz/dt) you also have a component in time (dT/dt). If you're not moving with respect to space, then you are just moving in time. Once you start to move in space, say you pick up a component dx/dt, then your component dT/dt becomes smaller to compensate, such that your total '4-velocity' stays constant.

For my two time co-ordinates, t is your time, the time on your watch, and T is the time that someone who is stationary with respect to the x,y,z co-ordinates observers you to have. So if you move with respect to someone, they see your time go slower than theirs.
 
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How is this for a simple analogy;

You have to accept first that everything has a fixed total space-time velocity. Let's apply this to regular 3 dimensional space. Say you are traveling and 100 Km/h due east. Your total velocity is 100 km/h. Now let's say you turn a bit so that you are going north-east. Your easterly velocity has become smaller, and your northerly velocity had increased from zero to some value. If you work out the total velocity, you still get 100 km/h.

Now, the trick with space-time is that in addition to the components of velocity in space (i.e. dx/dt, dy/dt, dz/dt) you also have a component in time (dT/dt). If you're not moving with respect to space, then you are just moving in time. Once you start to move in space, say you pick up a component dx/dt, then your component dT/dt becomes smaller to compensate, such that your total '4-velocity' stays constant.

For my two time co-ordinates, t is your time, the time on your watch, and T is the time that someone who is stationary with respect to the x,y,z co-ordinates observers you to have. So if you move with respect to someone, they see your time go slower than theirs.

Would this not result in a linear decrease of dT/dt instead of what is experimentally observed? A chart of of speed vs time will show small decreases in dT/dt until very close to the speed of light at which time dT/dt decreases rapidly.
 

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