Saturn Rings: Age and Permanent Feature

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the age of Saturn's rings and whether they can be considered a permanent feature. Participants explore the implications of observations made by the Cassini spacecraft and how these relate to the assumptions about the rings' age, focusing on the scientific interpretations of data regarding the rings' composition and the presence of dust.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference an article suggesting that Saturn's rings may be a permanent feature based on Cassini's observations of light reflected from the rings and stars passing behind them.
  • Others argue that the observations from Cassini indicate that the rings do not necessarily have to be young, as the presence of bright clean ice suggests less accumulation of dust than expected if they were older.
  • A participant notes that the article did not mention the reasoning behind the observations, which led to the conclusion about the rings' age.
  • One participant critiques the article for poorly rewriting the original press release from NASA, implying a lack of clarity in the communication of the findings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the observations related to the age of Saturn's rings. There is no consensus on the implications of the data or the accuracy of the article's representation of the findings.

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Limitations in the discussion include the potential misinterpretation of the data presented by Cassini and the lack of clarity in the article regarding the implications of the observations on the rings' age.

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Hi all,

I have read this article about Saturn rings:
http://www.space.com/news/ap-071213-saturn-ringage.html

The author argues as:
Quotes:
"The notion that Saturn's rings may be a permanent feature was based on observations by the ultraviolet spectrograph instrument on Cassini, which viewed the light reflected from the rings and watched stars passing behind them".

In fact I could not understand why for that reasons, they can say the rings are as old.

Thanks for any help.
 
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In fact I could not understand why for that reasons, they can say the rings are as old.
It's more that the observations remove the need to assume that they are young!

They were assumed to be young because there are bright clean ice (from IR measurements made form the ground and Hubble) it was thought that if they were old, lots of dust would have built up on them from meteors and so on.
The Cassimi obserations showed that there was a lot more material in the disks than thought so the small quantity of meteor dust present doesn't imply a young age.
 
mgb_phys said:
It's more that the observations remove the need to assume that they are young!

They were assumed to be young because there are bright clean ice (from IR measurements made form the ground and Hubble) it was thought that if they were old, lots of dust would have built up on them from meteors and so on.
The Cassimi obserations showed that there was a lot more material in the disks than thought so the small quantity of meteor dust present doesn't imply a young age.

Thank you, now I understand.
But it seems the article did not mention what you said. What I read is "..viewed the light reflected from the rings and watched stars passing behind them".
 
Because they took the real press release and re-wrote it, badly.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-149
 

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