Schrödinger equation where V = |x|

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The discussion revolves around finding solutions to the stationary Schrödinger equation for a potential defined as V = |x|. Participants explore the challenges of obtaining analytical solutions due to the nature of the potential, particularly its discontinuity at x = 0, and consider numerical methods as alternatives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that analytical solutions may be difficult to find due to the discontinuity of |x| at x = 0, while another notes that the potential's derivative is also problematic.
  • There is a proposal to solve the time-independent Schrödinger equation (TISE) separately for x > 0 and x < 0, ensuring continuity of the wavefunction and its first derivative at zero.
  • A later reply provides a specific form of the TISE for x > 0 and mentions the Airy function as a solution that does not diverge as x approaches infinity.
  • Participants discuss the conditions for odd and even solutions, linking them to the zeros of the Airy function and its derivative.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the absence of this problem in literature, despite it being mentioned in theoretical physics exams.
  • Another suggests looking into textbooks, specifically mentioning the "quantum bouncing ball" potential as a related problem that may provide insights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the challenges posed by the potential |x| and the need for continuity in solutions. However, there are multiple approaches suggested, including analytical and numerical methods, and no consensus on the best method or the existence of established solutions in literature.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the continuity of the potential and its derivative, as well as the potential absence of established solutions in existing literature.

ledamage
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Hi there!

I'm looking for the solutions of the stationary Schrödinger equation for a potential of the type

V = |x|

I know that the Airy functions are the solutions to the SE where V \sim x but for the above mentioned potential ... I can't find it -- neither in books nor on the net. Do you have some hints?


Dave
 
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I can Imagine it to be really hard to find analytical solutions to that one since |x| is not continuous at x = 0.

I would personally have done numerical solutions.

Can you tells us more why you are looking for solutions, what is the orignal problem etc, maybe someone can help you more.
 
malawi_glenn said:
I can Imagine it to be really hard to find analytical solutions to that one since |x| is not continuous at x = 0.

Well, it is, but it's derivative is not.

Odd solutions wouldn't be so bad, but even ones might be a bit tricky to handle, since there's no second derivative at that point.
 
malawi_glenn said:
Can you tells us more why you are looking for solutions, what is the orignal problem etc, maybe someone can help you more.

Actually, I read that some of our professors ask this question in the theoretical physics exam and I've begun to wonder when I didn't find this problem in the literature.
 
ledamage said:
Actually, I read that some of our professors ask this question in the theoretical physics exam and I've begun to wonder when I didn't find this problem in the literature.

Oh that was not good news =/
 
i must admit i am not aware of the properties of airy , but have you tried spliting the line when x is greater than or equal to zero and when x is less than zero and then solving the TISE in both part seperatly (with equal energies). Finally as you require that the wavefunction and its first derivative must be continuous at zero you will have to use the properties of the two airy functions at zero to either get quatised energy ar some other property.
 
For x&gt;0, after some rescaling of x and E, the time-indpendent Schrödinger equation is
-\psi&#039;&#039;(x) + x\psi(x) = E\psi(x),
and the solution that does not blow up as x\to +\infty is
\psi(x) = {\rm Ai}(x{-}E),
up to overall normalization. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airy_function for Airy function info.) Then, since V(x) is even, \psi(x) must be even or odd. If odd, \psi(0)=0, and so -E must be a zero of {\rm Ai}(x). This is the energy-eigenvalue condition for odd eigenfunctions. If even, \psi&#039;(0)=0, and so -E must be a zero of {\rm Ai}&#039;(x). This is the energy-eigenvalue condition for even eigenfunctions.
 
ledamage said:
Actually, I read that some of our professors ask this question in the theoretical physics exam and I've begun to wonder when I didn't find this problem in the literature.

The literature? I'd try looking around through some textbooks. For example, I'm almost absolutely positive that you will find the "quantum bouncing ball" potential problem in various textbooks (the quantum bouncing ball is the same potential you are interested in for x>0 but infinite at x=<0)... try Grifffiths maybe?
 

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