Schwarz inequality is Cauchy–Schwarz inequality?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between the Schwarz inequality and the Cauchy–Schwarz inequality, specifically whether they are the same or different. Participants explore definitions and interpretations of these inequalities, with a focus on their mathematical expressions and implications.

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  • One participant presents two inequalities, claiming the Schwarz inequality is \(\left\|[x,y]\right\|\leq\left\|x\right\|+\left\|y\right\|\) and the Cauchy–Schwarz inequality is \(\left\|[x,y]\right\|\leq\left\|x\right\|\left\|y\right\|\).
  • Another participant questions the validity of the first inequality, suggesting it may be a misstatement of the triangle inequality, which is \(\left\|x+y\right\|\leq\left\|x\right\|+\left\|y\right\|\) and follows from the Cauchy–Schwarz inequality when the norm is induced by a scalar product.
  • Several participants express skepticism about the correctness of the Schwarz inequality as presented, with one stating that it seems false in the context of real numbers.
  • One participant suggests that the discrepancies may stem from a typographical error in the materials referenced.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the Schwarz inequality and the Cauchy–Schwarz inequality are the same. There are competing views regarding the correctness of the inequalities presented and their definitions.

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There is uncertainty regarding the definitions and expressions of the inequalities discussed, as well as potential typographical errors in the materials referenced by the original poster.

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I found many information showed Schwarz inequality and Cauchy–Schwarz inequality are same on books and internet, but my teacher's material shows that:
Schwarz inequality:
\left\|[x,y]\right\|\leq\left\|x\right\|+\left\|y\right\|

Cauchy–Schwarz inequality:
\left\|[x,y]\right\|\leq\left\|x\right\|\left\|y\right\|


They seem to be different on material, and I had sent email to teacher but having no reply.
Therefore my question is "Are Schwarz inequality and Cauchy–Schwarz inequality same?"
 
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Those do not look like inequalities to me. And the first one looks wrong, independent of the inequality sign.
Maybe you mean ##||x+y|| \leq ||x||+||y||##, but that is the triangle inequality. It follows from the Cauchy–Schwarz inequality if the norm is induced by a scalar product.
 
mfb said:
Those do not look like inequalities to me. And the first one looks wrong, independent of the inequality sign.
Maybe you mean ##||x+y|| \leq ||x||+||y||##, but that is the triangle inequality. It follows from the Cauchy–Schwarz inequality if the norm is induced by a scalar product.

Sorry about used wrong symbol, and I have modified.
I know triangle inequality.

But the question still is "are Schwarz inequality and Cauchy–Schwarz inequality same?"


Thanks for your reply. :smile:
 
Your Schwarz inequality simply seems false. In \mathbb{R}, we have [x,y]=xy. But it is certainly not the case that

|2\cdot 3|\leq |2|+|3|
 
It looks like a typo to me. The books and the internet are right I think.
 
micromass said:
Your Schwarz inequality simply seems false. In \mathbb{R}, we have [x,y]=xy. But it is certainly not the case that

|2\cdot 3|\leq |2|+|3|

Well, do you mean that:
Schwarz inequality
= Cauchy–Schwarz inequality
= \left\|[x,y]\right\|\leq\left\|x\right\|\left\|y\right\|?

Vargo said:
It looks like a typo to me. The books and the internet are right I think.

I think so either, thus I want to figure it out.


Both of your answers are helpful, thanks. :smile:
 

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