Second-Order Nonlinear Differential Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a second-order nonlinear differential equation, specifically one that models motion under a central gravitational field. Participants explore the existence of solutions, potential methods for solving the equation, and the relationship to physical concepts such as circular motion.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help with a specific nonlinear differential equation, noting initial conditions.
  • Another participant suggests that nonlinear differential equations are generally difficult and may not have solutions in elementary functions, questioning if a numerical solution would suffice.
  • A participant asserts that a solution must exist since the equation is part of a homework assignment, implying that the context requires a solution.
  • One participant draws a parallel between the equation and the motion of an object under Newtonian gravity, suggesting that while the shape of the solution can be derived, expressing the time dependence of coordinates may be complex.
  • A later reply reiterates the connection to central gravitational motion, proposing that the solution is a conic section with the origin as a focal point, and presents a specific form of the solution involving circular motion.
  • This same participant concludes that the solution simplifies to the unit circle, presenting a specific solution for the case of circular motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the solvability of the equation, with some asserting that solutions exist while others highlight the challenges in finding explicit forms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the solutions and the methods to derive them.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not reach a consensus on the methods for solving the differential equation or the implications of the physical analogy to gravitational motion. The complexity of expressing time dependence in the solution remains a point of contention.

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Hi there can someone please help me with this differential equation, I'm having trouble solving it
$$
\begin{cases}

y''(t)=-\frac{y(t)}{||y(t)||^3} \ , \forall t >0
\\
y(0)= \Big(\begin{matrix} 1\\0\end{matrix} \Big) \
\text{and}
\
y'(0)= \Big(\begin{matrix} 0\\1\end{matrix} \Big)\end{cases}
\\

y(t) \in \mathbb{R}^2 \ \forall t
$$

Thanks in advance ^^
 
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Non-linear differential equations are, in general, extremely difficult and most simply do not have solutions in terms of elementary functions. Do you have any reason to believe this does or will a numerical solution suffice?
 
it must have solutions yes, it's in my homework and the following question requires these solutions
 
If I can see and remember correctly, this equation is similar than equation of motion of an object under Newtonian gravity. Thus the solution indeed exists, and in general the shape of the solution \( y(x) \) can be derived, but the time depense of coordinates \( (x(t), y(t)) \) can be impossible to write down. However, everything is easier in circular motion... :unsure:
 
Theia said:
If I can see and remember correctly, this equation is similar than equation of motion of an object under Newtonian gravity. Thus the solution indeed exists, and in general the shape of the solution \( y(x) \) can be derived, but the time depense of coordinates \( (x(t), y(t)) \) can be impossible to write down. However, everything is easier in circular motion...
Yeah, it is indeed the motion of an object in a field of central gravity.
So the solution is a conic section (ellipse, hyperbola, or parabola) with the origin as a focal point.
That is, the general solution of the differential equation is
$$y(t)=r(t)(\cos\theta(t), \sin\theta(t))$$
with $r(t)=\frac{b^2}{a-c\cos\theta(t)}$ and $r(t)^2 \theta'(t) = \text{constant}$.

Since every constant is $0$ or $1$, we can see by inspection that the solution is the unit circle.
That is
$$y(t) = (\cos t, \sin t).$$
Things are indeed easier in circular motion. :geek:
 
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