Second quantization and creation/annih. operators

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The discussion revolves around the introduction to second quantization, specifically focusing on the properties and implications of creation and annihilation operators, denoted as ##a## and ##a^\dagger##. Participants explore the mathematical relationships between these operators and their effects on eigenstates of the number operator ##a^\dagger a##, including the normalization of states and the derivation of certain results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how the results for states ##|\alpha-1\rangle## and ##|\alpha+1\rangle## are derived, particularly regarding the appearance of square roots and the asymmetry in their expressions.
  • Another participant suggests that the square roots arise from normalization conditions related to the number of particles in the state, indicating a relationship between the operators and the eigenvalues.
  • A participant expresses confusion over the abstract nature of the operators ##a## and ##a^\dagger##, noting that the physics has not yet been introduced, which complicates understanding the implications of the mathematical results presented.
  • There is a correction proposed regarding the eigenvalue associated with the state ##a^\dagger|\alpha\rangle##, with a participant asserting it should be ##\alpha+1## instead of ##\alpha-1##, and suggesting that the normalization constants should involve the operators acting on the state vectors.
  • Another participant mentions that the normalization of the state kets can be determined by calculating the norm on both sides of the equations involving the operators and their eigenstates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct eigenvalues associated with the states and the derivation of the normalization factors. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the results or the implications of the operators' properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity regarding the assumptions underlying the operators and the mathematical steps leading to the results, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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I'd like some help with something in this introduction to second quantization ... http://yclept.ucdavis.edu/course/242/Class.html

They start by considering two operators ##a## and ##a^\dagger## such that ##[a,a^\dagger]=1## and they are adjoint to each other. Also introduced is a state ##|\alpha\rangle## that is an eigenvector of the (Hermitian) operator ##a^\dagger a##, so that
##a^\dagger a |\alpha\rangle = \alpha |\alpha\rangle##.

They go on to show that the state ##a|\alpha\rangle## is an eigenstate of ##a^\dagger a## with eignvalue ##\alpha-1##, and ##a^\dagger|\alpha\rangle## is an eigenstate of ##a^\dagger a## with eigenvalue ##\alpha-1##.

Up to this point I managed to follow the plot reasonably well.

But now they say that the above "implies" that

##|\alpha-1\rangle=\frac 1{\sqrt\alpha}\alpha|\alpha\rangle##
and
##|\alpha+1\rangle=\frac 1{\sqrt{\alpha+1}}\alpha|\alpha\rangle##

which I am absulutely unable to understand. How do they get this result? where do the square roots come from? Why is there an asymmetry in the square roots?
 
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The square root come from the normalization, in order to have that the number of particle in the state ##\alpha##, so ##N_{\alpha}=a^{\dagger}a=n_{\alpha}##. I think that the asymmetry consist in that: in one case you have ##\sqrt{\alpha+1}## and in the other ##\sqrt{\alpha}## and not ##\sqrt{\alpha-1}## as the vector ##|\alpha-1\rangle##...
 
Thanks for the reply.. One reason I am confused is that, up to this point, they are talking about ##a## and ##a^\dagger## as two abstract operators with certain assumed properties -- they have not yet brought in any physics. And they seem to be saying that the square roots follow from (are implied by) the discussion so far. So I'm trying to understand how to derive those terms from what precedes.
 
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Swamp Thing said:
##a^\dagger|\alpha\rangle## is an eigenstate of ##a^\dagger a## with eigenvalue ##\alpha-1##
I'm pretty sure it should be ##\alpha+1##, and that
Swamp Thing said:
##|\alpha-1\rangle=\frac 1{\sqrt\alpha}\alpha|\alpha\rangle##
and
##|\alpha+1\rangle=\frac 1{\sqrt{\alpha+1}}\alpha|\alpha\rangle##
should be
##|\alpha-1\rangle=\frac 1{\sqrt\alpha}\hat{a}|\alpha \rangle## and ##|\alpha+1\rangle=\frac 1{\sqrt{\alpha+1}}\hat{a}^{\dagger}|\alpha\rangle##.
This result can be obtained by demanding that the state kets are normalised - for example, we know that ##a^\dagger|\alpha\rangle## is proportional to ##|\alpha+1\rangle##, and we can determine the constant of proportionality by calculating the norm on both sides.
 

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