Understanding second quantization

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The discussion revolves around the concept of second quantization in quantum mechanics, focusing on the interpretation and mathematical formulation of operators in single-particle and many-particle Hilbert spaces. Participants explore the relationships between these operators and their implications in various physical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the operator ##\mathcal A## and its representation in terms of orthonormal bases, leading to the definition of the operator ##A## on the Fock space.
  • Questions are raised regarding the interpretation of ##A##, particularly whether it reduces to ##\mathcal A## in the single-particle case and how it acts on states of particles.
  • Another participant explains that the potential operator described is an external potential and discusses the nature of interaction potentials, suggesting that they involve multiple annihilation and creation operators.
  • Concerns are expressed about the order of terms in the second quantization of a potential function operator ##V(x)## and the commutation relations between ##\hat \psi^{\dagger}(x)##, ##\hat \psi(x)##, and ##V(x)##.
  • References to specific equations in a book by Bruus and Flensberg are provided for further clarification on the discussed topics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of operators in second quantization, particularly regarding the nature of the potential operators and their relationships to the creation and annihilation operators. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of the operators and their domains may not be fully articulated, and the dependence on specific definitions of the operators is acknowledged. The discussion also touches on the complexity of many-body interactions without resolving the mathematical details involved.

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Hi,

I was reading a book about second quantization and there were a few things that I didn't quite understand entirely.

This is what I understood so far:

Given an operator ##\mathcal A## and two orthonormal bases ##|\alpha_i\rangle## and ##|\beta_i\rangle## for the Hilbert space, ##\mathcal H##, of interest, we can write $$\mathcal A = \sum\limits_{ij} \mathcal A_{ij} |\alpha_i\rangle \langle\beta_j|$$ where ##\mathcal A_{ij} = \langle \alpha_i|A|\beta_j\rangle.##

Now if we let ##a_i## and ##a_i^{\dagger}## be the annihilation and creation operators for the state ##|\alpha_i\rangle## and similarly ##b_i## and ##b_i^{\dagger}## be those for ##|\beta_i\rangle## (satisfying the appropriate commutation relations) then we can define an operator, ##A##, on the Fock space corresponding to ##\mathcal H## given by $$A = \displaystyle\sum\limits_{ij} \mathcal A_{ij} a_i^{\dagger} b_j.$$

The first question I have is this: what is the actual interpretation of ##A##? I can see that, whereas ##\mathcal A## is only defined on a one-particle Hilbert space, ##A## is a map from a many-particle space to itself (in particular, preserving the number of particles). Is it supposed to be the case that ##A## reduces to ##\mathcal A## in the single particle case? Is the action of ##A## on a state of particles supposed to somehow "simultaneously" be an application of ##\mathcal A## to all the particles at once?

Second: In my book, it is written that for an operator (on single particle Hilbert space) depending on position, we can write the second quantization in a similar form, but using the creation and annihilation operators ##\hat \psi^{\dagger}(x)## and ##\hat \psi(x)## for position. The equation it gives for second quantization of a potential function operator ##V(x)## is (assuming that the position spectrum is not discrete) $$\hat V = \int \text d^3 x \hat \psi^{\dagger}(x) V(x) \hat \psi(x).$$ This appears to be slightly different in the order that the terms are laid out when compared to the expression for ##A## above. Now, a few other manipulations performed in the book lead me to guess that somehow the operators ##\hat \psi^{\dagger}(x)## and ##\hat \psi(x)## commute with the operator ##V(x)##. Why is this the case? I know that ##\hat \psi^{\dagger}(x)## and ##\hat \psi(x)## are operators on the Fock space, but isn't ##V(x)## also an operator on Fock space in a sense?
 
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If the Hilbert space you describe is a single-particle Hilbert space (which is a proper subspace of the Fock space the annihilation and creation operators are defined on), then what you have there is a single-particle operator. The potential you describe is then an external potential (e.g., due to an electrostatic potential acting on charged particles). For an interaction potential like the Coulomb potential between two charged particles, the corresponding operator consists of two annihilation and two creation operators. It's thus a two-particle operator, which comes about because the Coulomb potential describes interactions between all possible pairs of particles in a many-body system. This "ladder" of operators goes on in principle, i.e., you can also have three-body, four-body, etc. operators.

An example is nuclear physics, where you describe the strong interaction by an effective low-energy description of QCD, e.g., using chiral perturbation theory. This leads to many-particle forces in the many-nucleon system, i.e., to strong correlations between two and more particles, necessary to describe, e.g., nuclei as many-body bound states of nulceons (protons and neutrons).
 
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acegikmoqsuwy said:
The first question I have is this: what is the actual interpretation of ##A##? I can see that, whereas ##\mathcal A## is only defined on a one-particle Hilbert space, ##A## is a map from a many-particle space to itself (in particular, preserving the number of particles). Is it supposed to be the case that ##A## reduces to ##\mathcal A## in the single particle case? Is the action of ##A## on a state of particles supposed to somehow "simultaneously" be an application of ##\mathcal A## to all the particles at once?

Take a look at Eq 1.26 to Eq 1.29 and Eq 1.60 in the book by Bruus and Flensberg: http://www.phys.lsu.edu/~jarrell/COURSES/ADV_SOLID_HTML/Other_online_texts/Many-body quantum theory in condensed matter physics Henrik Bruus and Karsten Flensberg.pdf

acegikmoqsuwy said:
Second: In my book, it is written that for an operator (on single particle Hilbert space) depending on position, we can write the second quantization in a similar form, but using the creation and annihilation operators ##\hat \psi^{\dagger}(x)## and ##\hat \psi(x)## for position. The equation it gives for second quantization of a potential function operator ##V(x)## is (assuming that the position spectrum is not discrete) $$\hat V = \int \text d^3 x \hat \psi^{\dagger}(x) V(x) \hat \psi(x).$$ This appears to be slightly different in the order that the terms are laid out when compared to the expression for ##A## above. Now, a few other manipulations performed in the book lead me to guess that somehow the operators ##\hat \psi^{\dagger}(x)## and ##\hat \psi(x)## commute with the operator ##V(x)##. Why is this the case? I know that ##\hat \psi^{\dagger}(x)## and ##\hat \psi(x)## are operators on the Fock space, but isn't ##V(x)## also an operator on Fock space in a sense?

Take a look at Eq 1.73 in the book by Bruus and Flensberg: http://www.phys.lsu.edu/~jarrell/COURSES/ADV_SOLID_HTML/Other_online_texts/Many-body quantum theory in condensed matter physics Henrik Bruus and Karsten Flensberg.pdf
 
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